(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[US Open Round 5 - 2008 US Go Congress - Myungwan Kim (8P) vs Kuo Yin (3P)]PW[Myungwan Kim 8P]PB[Kuo Yin 3P]DT[2008-08-08]EV[US Open]RO[5]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Todd Heidenreich]C[Rocker [4d\]: muhahaah
Rocker [4d\]: start!
PowerP [3d\]: how many processors is kuo yin using?
Ho [5k\]: Did Kuo lose anything?
jewel [1k\]: huo yin is 3 processors
Almdudler [3d\]: w00t
Almdudler [3d\]: duel of giants \\o
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[cp]
;W[pp]
;B[dc]
;W[de]C[pebarefoot [12k\]: this should be excellent
ibd [15k\]: whom is kuo sponsored by?
nyanjohn: LG
nyanjohn: Life's Good
myspersson [8k\]: need to get sponsors
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;B[nq]C[myspersson [8k\]: anyone got a tip ?
sansanman: hi
pebarefoot [12k\]: Life IS Good !
lifeisgood [-\]: yes, life's good
KGSPlus [-\]: please keep comments related to the game
pookifuni [15k\]: right
USGO1 [-\]: The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal; go news from around the world, free every week via email; sign up at www.usgo.org.  Time limits are 2 hours basic time, 5 periods of 30 seconds byo yomi.  Our broadcasting team today: Game Recorders: Todd Heidenreich (Board 1); Dennis Wheeler (Bd 2); Richard Dolen (Bd 3); Casey Alexander (Bd 4); Matthew Heymering (KGS admin); Steve Colburn (IT/back-up); Chris Garlock, Managing Editor
USGO1 [-\]: Click here http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/pairs-r5.html for the Round 2 pairings and here http://www.usgo.org/naim/band-matrix/42 for the results -- and game records – from the top boards. Photos of the top players in the Open and NAIM are also posted online http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/openplayers.html Click here http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/staff.html to see the E-Journal Congress Team
USGO1 [-\]: The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal; go news from around the world, free every week via email; sign up at www.usgo.org
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;W[pn]C[jeffywhite [7k\]: this isnt a live brodcast is it?
Akagi316 [7k\]: it is
mpan [8k\]: actually I think it is
pebarefoot [12k\]: yes
jeffywhite [7k\]: cool
jeffywhite [7k\]: so why does the time not go down
Cloudwall [-\]: USGO1 [-\]: The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal
Akagi316 [7k\]: because it's not played online
Akagi316 [7k\]: it's played irl
IstTengen [9k\]: at table 5 they are on move 34 :O
Akagi316 [7k\]: just broadcasted online
jeffywhite [7k\]: ah
jeffywhite [7k\]: okay
Pinus [7k?\]: I bet on E3 now.
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;B[pd]C[nyanjohn: j3 
pebarefoot [12k\]: there has been an aga e-journal up-date every day during the congress
Momogo [2d\]: :O
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;W[ep]C[TheCATS [2d\]: is feng yun not playing today?
pebarefoot [12k\]: nice job e-journal !
Cloudwall [-\]: Feng Yun is not playing in the US Open, she's playing in the Ing Masters Tournament though
Cloudwall [-\]: they're different
USGO1 [-\]: Feng Yun will be playing Yilun Yang tonight at 7pm PST to determine the champion of the North American Ing Masters tournament.
nyanjohn: amazing
Singer [10k\]: what rank is yilun yang?
Cloudwall [-\]: 7p
USGO1 [-\]: Yes, I should have said Feng Yun 9P will be playing Yilun Yang 7P.
Singer [10k\]: Does KGS ever broadcast tournaments with the very top pros in?
nyanjohn: g3 
IstTengen [9k\]: I dont think so Singer. They should have to pay for that i guess?
fly [1k\]: Singer: how much better than 9p do tye get?
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;B[gq]C[pebarefoot [12k\]: kgs sometimes puts the games up
pebarefoot [12k\]: the deciding games at least
Javaness [-\]: is there a scoretable online?
lifeisgood [-\]: are these players leading in the us open?  
Ho [5k\]: what's an adress to see this game online?
nkinnear [?\]: yes to both.  check usgo.org
Cloudwall [-\]: Java--USGO1 [-\]: Click here http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/pairs-r5.html for the Round 2 pairings and here http://www.usgo.org/naim/band-matrix/42 for the results -- and game records – from the top boards. Photos of the top players in the Open and NAIM are also posted online http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/openplayers.html Click here http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/staff.html to see the E-Journal Congress Team
Ho [5k\]: thx
USGO1 [-\]: Yin has left the table for the first time this morning.
nyanjohn: heh
nyanjohn: i was right
nyanjohn: now f5
Tom2 [8k\]: is there any live broadcast from this event like eurogotv?
USGO1 [-\]: It is getting late in the week here in Portland, and there are a lot of tired looking people in the room this morning.
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;W[er]C[pebarefoot [12k\]: there has been no video feed thus far , Tom2
katori15 [4k\]: blah this joseki
Tom2 [8k\]: thank you pebarefoot
slinky [-\]: go the 3p!
USGO1 [-\]: Before long, there will be photos up at http://www.usgo.org/
slinky [-\]: USGO what are the times?
jcnorn [?\]: how come he put his stone at e2?
larrymarx [6k\]: is white looking at k3 or l3 perhaps?
acidpool [3k\]: attack mode
slinky [-\]: Cause he is an 8p and its in the master plan
Pinus [7k?\]: E2 is fightind move.
jcnorn [?\]: ooooh
Tom2 [8k\]: oh, thank you USGO! and its great that you show us the event on KGS
ixibutzi [1k\]: when im playing e2 in joseki it always turns out bad guess this is a pro move xD
jcnorn [?\]: I has much to learn
Pinus [7k?\]: Now D6 is the only move?
Faint31k [1k\]: starting with spelling >>
nyanjohn: who are the 2 most high ranked in this tournament?
Yanwangye [-\]: why i cant watch this game on eurogotv ?
slinky [-\]: pfffft where else would you show this event IGS?? XD get out of here
theremin [1k\]: where is the end of the Kim's game started on wednesday ?
slinky [-\]: cause its not on EURO its in USGO!!!
theremin [1k\]: someone knows ?
slinky [-\]: :D
Yanwangye [-\]: xD
USGO1 [-\]: The time periods for the US Open are 2 hours basic time with 5 byo-yomi periods of 30 seconds.
larrymarx [6k\]: i think black can still escape or live if tenuki and then white d6
slinky [-\]: o_O
Yanwangye [-\]: omg ok im stupit ~_~
nyanjohn: d6 
nyanjohn: d6 f5 k4 ?
jcnorn [?\]: why d6?
wellwell: ????
theremin [1k\]: who won between Kim and Yue Zhang ? I can't find the end of their game ...
pebarefoot [12k\]: see options>rules , above
USGO1 [-\]: Both players have just begun this game so are only several minutes into the game.  When I have a chance to see Black's clock I'll let you now exactly.
nkinnear [?\]: Kim won
MrShintou [-\]: they have plenty of time
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;B[cm]C[theremin [1k\]: thx nkinnear :) You know if their end game were recorded ?
pebarefoot [12k\]: ahh , Mr Shintou *bows*
nkinnear [?\]: check usgo.org for game record
larrymarx [6k\]: "if one, jump two; if two, jump three"
theremin [1k\]: was*
GoteGote [1d\]: black lead of one stone... But white will catch him in a few time...
Bloch [10k\]: Black is playing like a massively parallel architecture. 
myspersson [8k\]: wot
ixibutzi [1k\]: isnt c7 slow?
slinky [-\]: not when your a pro
AutoAtari [3k?\]: isn't c7 fast?
slinky [-\]: xD
USGO1 [-\]: All results from the main tournaments here at the US Go Congress can be seen at http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/
larrymarx [6k\]: i think c7 is fine because it attacks e2 and e4
AutoAtari [3k?\]: d6 seems to be more common
katori15 [4k\]: kogo joseki dictionary is looking for this ☺
acidpool [3k\]: d6 aggressive, not appropriate with weak stones on right
nyanjohn: maybe c7 was chosen because d15
theremin [1k\]: Thx USGO1 but is there somewhere I can find the full game between Kim and Yue ? :'(
gindan [6k\]: i think it's bacasue of q6 instead of d15
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;W[iq]C[oibbi [1d\]: kogo know this exists but doesn't know the vatiation :/
MrShintou [-\]: this looked like best to me as well
AutoAtari [3k?\]: koko says "If you are high-dan and know the follow-up. mail it to me please." lol
mascaron [5k\]: kogo's dictionary say's of c7, if you're a high dan and know the follow up please email it to me
mascaron [5k\]: lol
AutoAtari [3k?\]: kogo even
nyanjohn: yeah
nyanjohn: because kogo just sucks
nyanjohn: written by kyus maybe
calbonga [10k?\]: W c17
Grindy [16k\]: ?
purplecow [1d\]: theremin  is this it http://www.usgo.org/naim/results/122-182-212
AutoAtari [3k?\]: we should send them the sgf of this game
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;B[pr]C[gonewb [7k\]: m3
GoteGote [1d\]: m3? looks in the strategy...
GoteGote [1d\]: or n3
nyanjohn: p3 
oibbi [1d\]: black wants l3 
nyanjohn: m3 
nyanjohn: m3 works with d15
mitani7: w g4
Confuse24 [3k\]: its like watching a pro game
gonewb [7k\]: cuz it is?
Confuse24 [3k\]: where is kim from
gindan [6k\]: h4 bigger than l3
MrShintou [-\]: Kim...
mitani7: g4
Confuse24 [3k\]: myungwan
nyanjohn: myungwan if from France
nyanjohn: is
Confuse24 [3k\]: shes a pro right from where
MrShintou [-\]: r10 maybe
Confuse24 [3k\]: r10 might be the best mive in this position
AutoAtari [3k?\]: I prefer m3
jeffywhite [7k\]: i think g4 is big for white
gindan [6k\]: france ?
GoteGote [1d\]: l3 looks big for black
Nouli [-\]: korea 
jeffywhite [7k\]: but its gote
nyanjohn: m3 ftw
AutoAtari [3k?\]: Confuse24, you could have asked google
DragonWolf [5k\]: Could white M3 now?
pebarefoot [12k\]: this should be one heck of a fight !
huginmunin [10k\]: n4?
gindan [6k\]: i think all of the round5 players are from cjk ?
Snaga [1d\]: how old is w?
gonewb [7k\]: whats cjk
SunnyD [3d\]: 1 hour older since start of game
DragonWolf [5k\]: cjk = china japan korea
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;W[mq]C[gonewb [7k\]: oh
AutoAtari [3k?\]: wow
pebarefoot [12k\]: patience , grasshopper
mitani7: o5
AutoAtari [3k?\]: nah, n4
Tsuijin [1d\]: n2?
jeffywhite [7k\]: nah
mitani7: n2 or o5
Grindy [16k\]: or sides
Tsuijin [1d\]: n4 seems to give white good result..
jeffywhite [7k\]: n2 bad cus white has the ladder
Tsuijin [1d\]: and o5 looks unplayable
GoteGote [1d\]: hehe n3
USGO1 [-\]: MyungWan Kim is a 8P from Seoul, South Korea born February 2, 1978.  He is currently residing in Los Angeles, CA.  He earned professional rank in 1994 and placed 2nd in the 12 BC Card Cup.
ikami [1d\]: W doesnt havee the ladder
jeffywhite [7k\]: oh
jeffywhite [7k\]: my fault
SunnyD [3d\]: What is he doing in LA?
GoteGote [1d\]: Where is the ladder ikami?
MatchFree [-\]: card cup? is that a poker tournament? 
ikami [1d\]: n2 o2 n4 m3 m2 p3 o4 p2 l3 
mitani7: l3
Brendan5 [4k\]: what about m3
Brendan5 [4k\]: i like that
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;W[lq]C[AutoAtari [3k?\]: told ya
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;B[qq]C[Tsuijin [1d\]: i guess black losing then
MrShintou [-\]: i like black =D
AutoAtari [3k?\]: I don't think he had any better choice
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;W[nr]C[nyanjohn: p3
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;B[oq]C[MrShintou [-\]: s5 
nyanjohn: camon
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;W[qp]C[Nouli [-\]: S5 is gote
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;B[or]C[AutoAtari [3k?\]: q2 was strange, I think
mitani7: p2 is  good
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;W[qk]C[GoteGote [1d\]: p2 looks slow
GoteGote [1d\]: and empty triangle.
royalty [3d\]: it's joseki, kinda
mitani7: i don't think
Confuse24 [3k\]: its supposedly joseki
MrShintou [-\]: kgs 1d disagrees with a 3p interesting =D
GoteGote [1d\]: it's joseki? ok then just look ^^
Tsuijin [1d\]: white opening looks more interesting
Confuse24 [3k\]: well in ths situation its bad fro black
GoteGote [1d\]: s2 don't work instead of p2?
USGO1 [-\]: Yin Kuo 3P, born on February 5, 1983, is from Beijing, China.  He earned professional in 1997 and professional 3 dan in 2001.  He won the 2006 Champion of Ying’s Cup of Chinese National Championship for University Students and he earned Bachelor of Laws from Fudan University in China in 2008.
GoteGote [1d\]: s2 or s3
huginmunin [10k\]: b 13?
mitani7: b + 0.5
huginmunin [10k\]: c 13 i mean
GoteGote [1d\]: p2 is the way to have life for sure?
MrShintou [-\]: black p2 gives black sente.
MrShintou [-\]: /end
mitani7: r12
kimball [4d\]: p2 is shapemove, b cannot resist s 3 without
AutoAtari [3k?\]: pro at 14? and law degree?
AutoAtari [3k?\]: b is scary :p
MrShintou [-\]: he earned his bach in law in 2008. 
GoteGote [1d\]: but if black s3? 
Snaga [1d\]: thats why  he i only 3p
SunnyD [3d\]: 1P is free pass to get into top universities
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;B[ce]C[fly [1k\]: Does anyone know which USGOx broadcast the pro vs computer game?
jankenpopp: none
jankenpopp: they played on their own accounts
jankenpopp: mogotitan was the computer
fly [1k\]: ty
jankenpopp: myungwan was the pro
USGO1 [-\]: Yin has stepped away from the board again.
GoteGote [1d\]: kimball: black s3 instead of s2 is bad becuase white can put black into run?`
jankenpopp: although there was a usgo representative there too.. giving breif commentary
GoteGote [1d\]: instead of p2*
AutoAtari [3k?\]: what was the result?
Aliens243 [9k?\]: computer win
MrShintou [-\]: 9HC though
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;W[cf]C[AutoAtari [3k?\]: aha, still impressive
AutoAtari [3k?\]: 7 or 8 handi next time? :)
MrShintou [-\]: it won by 3.5 and 1.5, so probably not
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;B[cd]C[yukimora [1d\]: never seen pro handicap game before
USGO1 [-\]: They played several games.  The early games were very fast time limits to test different handicaps.  With limited time the computer lost with something like 13 and 15 stones of handicap.  With an hours time to process, the computer won by 1.5 points with 9 handicap.  Still impressive.
patrickb [-\]: The pro said afterwards that winning at H8 against the computer would have been challenging
patrickb [-\]: and said it was two dan or maybe three dan in its play overall
SunnyD [3d\]: We need to get Takemiya to play too
Snaga [1d\]: :/
purplecow [1d\]: kgs 2 d ?
MrShintou [4d\]: 2-3d pfft.
Uhr [?\]: sorry i am new
Nouli [-\]: Mogobot win a fast game with 12 stones
Nouli [-\]: xD
Uhr [?\]: who is the bot?
Nouli [-\]: -win +won
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;W[df]C[patrickb [-\]: MoGo Titan. The MoGo program running on a 15 teraflop 800 core cluster computer
Uhr [?\]: wow
yukimora [1d\]: well from what i  have seen from bots in the past it wont be 2d on kgs
GoteGote [1d\]: yep but 1.5 win was because computer put some stone in his territory at the end of the game Computer was ahead like 10 before the last move... And the pro make a mistake in the oppening who give him a more difficult challenge. I think 9 stone was the right handicap
Tsuijin [1d\]: is C10 best here?
Kyros [8k\]: where can I get a sgf of that computer game?
Bloch [10k\]: Is this the strongest bot ion the world? I heard there was a Koren computer / software that was very strong.
Nouli [-\]: Gotegote : Wasn't it aga rules ?
patrickb [-\]: Look under the account of 'mogotitan' for the game record
yukimora [1d\]: it might start out that way but after awhile people will figure out its pattern and start giving it 6 handicap
patrickb [-\]: yes, it was chinese rules
Bloch [10k\]: Kyros, look up the user mogotitan
SunnyD [3d\]: Mogo uses no pattern
Kyros [8k\]: thanks
huginmunin [10k\]: i think m3?
GoteGote [1d\]: Kyros: looks at info of usgo15, and search the game between mogo and the pro it's the fouth
AutoAtari [3k?\]: oh they played on kgs?
patrickb [-\]: where else? :)
Bloch [10k\]: yes, last night 21:00 UK time
SunnyD [3d\]: UK time???
AutoAtari [3k?\]: I imagined it was on a real board, with an operator placing stones for the computer
Bloch [10k\]: well, I am in Ireland. I don't want to figure out the time somewher else ..
GoteGote [1d\]: yep, but Mogo play stone IN his territory when the pro takes dame, he just play like that because he know he will win ( for him o.5 win or 10 points win is the same
Bloch [10k\]: No I think it was actually played on the computer
Bloch [10k\]: Cgopban handled the time limits
Bruno5940 [16k\]: wats the time?
jankenpopp: right, was played on.. myungwan vs mogotian
jankenpopp: titan*
Bloch [10k\]: it's 18:10
Bloch [10k\]: somewhere
huginmunin [10k\]: m17
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;W[jp]
;B[hq]C[H2He [7k\]: is it a kind of splitting attack, or..
slinky [-\]: So the mogo event just shows that they cant beat us?
slinky [-\]: ;)
USGO1 [-\]: Yin hesitated over the board, pulled the stone back and then placed it on the board.  Double checking his reading?
slinky [-\]: :D maybe?
Tsuijin [1d\]: early fight ftw
slinky [-\]: ;)
SunnyD [3d\]: High level mind game bluff.
MrShintou [-\]: haha
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;W[ir]C[Tsuijin [1d\]: does black have easy sabaki?
ToWeak [1k\]: what is sabaki?
H2He [7k\]: light play
Tsuijin [1d\]: cause I don't see one
Tsuijin [1d\]: and tenuking seems bad
Tsuijin [1d\]: *tenuki
Pinus [7k?\]: What about G5?
USGO1 [-\]: Other than sometimes moving his head around to stretch his neck, Kim has barely moved the whole game.  Just calmly reading the board.
oonicks [?\]: e4 is sabaki
Tsuijin [1d\]: e4 is a white stone
oonicks [?\]: i think its great sabaki
huginmunin [10k\]: first f4
Tsuijin [1d\]: f4 seems bad shape
oibbi [1d\]: i imagine black playing k5
theremin [1k\]: (thx purplecow)
Neospring [3k\]: l3 
fractic [2k\]: k5 just feels like an overplay
Tsuijin [1d\]: yah i agree with fractic
huginmunin [10k\]: ok f2?
GoteGote [1d\]: k5 h4 i think
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;B[dq]C[GoteGote [1d\]: f2 here
GoteGote [1d\]: i was just looking at that before
elfking [6k\]: hrm
GoteGote [1d\]: f2 is possible
Jenghis [2k\]: f2 not e3?
GoteGote [1d\]: but not nessecary the riht move
elfking [6k\]: and what of the maxim that "even an idiot connects at a peep ^^ ... "?
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;W[eq]C[GoteGote [1d\]: ^^
AurelienC [3d\]: f2 bad
elfking [6k\]: ^^
articienta [-\]: :)
Nouli [-\]: connect xD
Tsuijin [1d\]: d3 sorta fixes the problem
Tsuijin [1d\]: for B
articienta [-\]: only idiots and pro connect at a peep
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;B[fo]C[huginmunin [10k\]: i meant f2 instead of d3
elfking [6k\]: he's treating g3 lightly 
shinkirou [1k\]: w has no problem now
GoteGote [1d\]: f2 goal what to threaten connection
elfking [6k\]: f5 threat is interesting ... it aims at e6
elfking [6k\]: or e5
shinkirou [1k\]: h1 can connect easy
AurelienC [3d\]: f1 and w is connected
GoteGote [1d\]: and if e3 f3 f4 g4 capture the two stone
fractic [2k\]: but w can't just play f1 now
GoteGote [1d\]: lol
fractic [2k\]: black e5 would be too good
AutoAtari [3k?\]: c5
GoteGote [1d\]: missread 
AurelienC [3d\]: it happen
Neospring [3k\]: b3 
shinkirou [1k\]: i like c5
larrymarx [6k\]: can black kill e3?
GoteGote [1d\]: ^^ yes i feel so stupid here... But was so happy to see that... life is rude...
elfking [6k\]: black doesn't want to kill e3
AurelienC [3d\]: ^^
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;W[io]
;B[hp]C[AutoAtari [3k?\]: I don't think he would refuse to kill it, given the chance
elfking [6k\]: that's some deep reading
elfking [6k\]: ouch 
larrymarx [6k\]: apparently white doesn't want to save it very much
abbadan [-\]: not now
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;W[jo]C[Neospring [3k\]: w all good shapes
elfking [6k\]: e6
Tsuijin [1d\]: is e2 uncatchable?
MrShintou [-\]: i feel g6 is best
RubysDad [3k\]: e5 now
elfking [6k\]: g6 feels over concentrated 
elfking [6k\]: e5 now or e6
SunnyD [3d\]: F17
elfking [6k\]: hrm SunnyD :-) 
GiantCat [-\]: o5
elfking [6k\]: but that removes the threat of c11 by black 
shinkirou [1k\]: d6
elfking [6k\]: f17 feels counter productive to all the the movement at the bottom  left by black
fractic [2k\]: c11 is hardly a threat though
fractic [2k\]: white has e17
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;B[eo]C[Neospring [3k\]: b1!
elfking [6k\]: c11 makes d15 less meaningful  although white has e17 as a reply 
satakieli [5k\]: RubysDad got it!
carla [7k\]: smart daddy
Pinus [7k?\]: E17 now?
H2He [7k\]: lucky son:)
Jenghis [2k\]: I think we should have a guessing competition betweent the kyu's and the dans?
elfking [6k\]: jenghis hehe
Jenghis [2k\]: I am not sure that the kyu's might not win : )
cliftut [14k?\]: Is white going to play in corner now? C2? This is quite beyond my depth. :)
trimurti [6k\]: beginner's mind
Neospring [3k\]: dans dont waste much time tpying
tamy1 [16k\]: what rank are the players?
Neospring [3k\]: they just watch and play it thru
twintom [6k\]: d10
elfking [6k\]: cliftut it's hard for white to do that.
carla [7k\]: 8 poor and 3 poor
MrShintou [-\]: white is 8p, black is 3p.
jankenpopp: r14
elfking [6k\]: carla!!! LOL
Jenghis [2k\]: Dans don't type because they are smart enough to know that they don't understand the pros thinking : )
MrShintou [-\]: bad jenghis.
elfking [6k\]: it's a shame because it would be interesting to know their thoughts ^^ 
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;W[cr]C[Jenghis [2k\]: : ) MrShintou
cliftut [14k?\]: I was right!
elfking [6k\]: oooh ddk wins!
triking [10k\]: 14k calls it whoo
AutoAtari [3k?\]: dans don't type because they are watching and analyzing the game
cliftut [14k?\]: What the heck. X|
elfking [6k\]: clif it's because now g1 and something like c3 or c5 are miai
USGO1 [-\]: Kim has left the board and the room for the first time this morning.
Neospring [3k\]: #2 
carla [7k\]: even pro's have to use the bathroom
elfking [6k\]: i thought pros wore diapers  :( 
Tsuijin [1d\]: man
Tsuijin [1d\]: if white doesn't even have to connect back
Tsuijin [1d\]: that would suck for B
carla [7k\]: hehe elf
IstTengen [9k\]: i guess they also need blood in their brains...
cliftut [14k?\]: elfking: Yeah, I was just surprised that my intuition led me to the right move.
Javaness [-\]: D11 looks fun
Vinz [9k\]: kim left the room?? escaper :)
MrShintou [-\]: more like your face
Neospring [3k\]: b1 better
H2He [7k\]: no
Confuse24 [3k\]: bad shaoe fir b
MXHero [-\]: b1 makes no eyes and w dies
Neospring [3k\]: im joking...
MXHero [-\]: oh :)
carla [7k\]: b1 is the vital point
Jenghis [2k\]: any Dans guesses for blacks move?
Tsuijin [1d\]: d4?
Neospring [3k\]: l3 for b!
Exception [5k\]: c3 
MXHero [-\]: d2
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;B[ed]C[GoteGote [1d\]: d4 will be the third empty triangle for black...
MrShintou [-\]: E16.
Tsuijin [1d\]: hehe
cliftut [14k?\]: lol
krakengo [1d\]: =p
MXHero [-\]: ha
Neospring [3k\]: ya b has bad shapes
Jenghis [2k\]: Should we have a special catagory for (-) people?
MrShintou [-\]: honest to god this was my guess..
MrShintou [-\]: i type too slow ><
H2He [7k\]: me to:)
ronni [2d?\]: a lot of nice aji around f5
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;W[cj]C[krakengo [1d\]: i like w here
ronni [2d?\]: me too
krakengo [1d\]: G3 looks like failure, from shape
MilanMilan [9d\]: yin kuo?
ronni [2d?\]: but I am always wrong in reading
MilanMilan [9d\]: well
MrShintou [-\]: o/ milan
Jenghis [2k\]: I think black will play e10
ronni [2d?\]: whole b left quarter looks a bit unfamiliar to me
H2He [7k\]: e2 miai for connection or live in corner*?
Confuse24 [3k\]: b12
MrShintou [-\]: i think black will play K17 :D
]
;B[do]C[MrShintou [-\]: pfft @ shape.
Jenghis [2k\]: Is that a push for the guessers?
Confuse24 [3k\]: calling me a guesser
Jenghis [2k\]: did you call it?
GoteGote [1d\]: Why Black choose this moment to make e16 c10 exchange?
krakengo [1d\]: to induce this
EagleHelm [11k\]: very long game
Jenghis [2k\]: I really don't have a clue as to whites next move : (
jankenpopp: f1
shinkirou [1k\]: connect probably
Oleksandr [2k\]: g1 can be too
]
;W[bq]C[krakengo [1d\]: B3 maybe
larrymarx [6k\]: it looks like white is leading by a lot because he's been forming territory
GoteGote [1d\]: c3 first? to make one more emprty triangle?
Jenghis [2k\]: hmm, I think we give that to the dan : )
Tsuijin [1d\]: black is starting to float!
shinkirou [1k\]: the h3 stones sure look pointless now
slinky [-\]: Times?
MrShintou [-\]: i count more solid territory fro black :)
jankenpopp: ?
H2He [7k\]: a lot
Jenghis [2k\]: We kyus's are going to have to step it up. What is the next move?
H2He [7k\]: a lot
krakengo [1d\]: for watari, G1 weak (b can cut), H1 best ?
gosta [5k\]: w good
tamy1 [16k\]: f2?
AutoAtari [3k?\]: b4
fractic [2k\]: how to cut g1 kraken?
MrShintou [-\]: i count more solid territory for black than white =D
GoteGote [1d\]: f1 i think
shinkirou [1k\]: b has more right now
jankenpopp: d2 best!
shinkirou [1k\]: but all w shapes are so good
Neospring [3k\]: b all bade shapes
carla [7k\]: f1 would look so weird
krakengo [1d\]: G1 can be cut at F1
USGO1 [-\]: Time Check - W: 80 minutes remaining, B: 69 minutes.
oibbi [1d\]: h1 cuts g1
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;B[qf]C[fractic [2k\]: h1 doesn't
Snaga [1d\]: b likes h3 shape 
Jenghis [2k\]: wow, no one called that
fractic [2k\]: h1 h2 f1 g2 f2 white then cuts at f3
oibbi [1d\]: o yea... olol... f1 then
oibbi [1d\]: ^^
gosta [5k\]: f5 group not safe ^^
AutoAtari [3k?\]: I was thinking of R14 after C10
fractic [2k\]: starting with f1 cuts indeed
Jenghis [2k\]: These pros are making us all look bad : ( 
fractic [2k\]: but white would live in the corner anyway
Nouli [-\]: L17 ? :x
krakengo [1d\]: R14 well... top bigger ?
USGO1 [-\]: Kuo Yin leaves he tabbe whle Zhaonian Chen watches from the next table over
shinkirou [1k\]: r14 is a nice piont for w too ...
shinkirou [1k\]: if you build top he builds right side
Jenghis [2k\]: I think white 017
krakengo [1d\]: i don't know, at top b is high on both sides, on the right w has a finished position
jankenpopp: e8
Nyanbot: o17 p17 o16 l16 
Nyanbot: seems bad for w
H2He [7k\]: j4 tsuke didt work at al?
fractic [2k\]: a wedge seems better on the top
USGO1 [-\]: Kuo Yin returns with coffee
Jenghis [2k\]: hmm, you might be right Nyanbot
shinkirou [1k\]: hehe go caffeine power
AutoAtari [3k?\]: p18 :)
Rocker [4d\]: r12
EagleHelm [11k\]: Latte ftw
Jenghis [2k\]: Rocker says r12, rocker is pretty good at guessing.
MilanMilan [9d\]: that's will be a long game
Jenghis [2k\]: What does Milan guess?
Nyanbot: whats the purpose of r12?
twintom [6k\]: k15?
krakengo [1d\]: nothing
EagleHelm [11k\]: something on the top side
Jenghis [2k\]: r12 is 6 points in gote
MXHero [-\]: maybe w d16 first?
fractic [2k\]: it makes approachihng on 017 easier though
jeffywhite [7k\]: geeze this takes long
fractic [2k\]: but i still think the top is better
MrShintou [-\]: haha :) i think its fine.
shinkirou [1k\]: you don't have to watch ya know :)
MrShintou [-\]: gives me time to reflect on the game.
EagleHelm [11k\]: top is way better
Pinus [6k\]: Maybe Q18 now.
shinkirou [1k\]: i like long games better quality
Nyanbot: q17 
GoteGote [1d\]: a little more than 6 gote i think because black r11 will aim at r7
MXHero [-\]: q18 is usually best if b has a moyo already
Jenghis [2k\]: Mingjiu says that r12 is sente against the corner : )
EagleHelm [11k\]: l17?
USGO1 [-\]: Yin can do without the caffeine, its just water in the cup...
MrShintou [-\]: i agree w/ ming jiu
krakengo [1d\]: but R7 is not death and b R11 is not that big either, compared to top ?
Pinus [6k\]: Or simply L17?
MrShintou [-\]: but i'd rather attack the corner than the side
fractic [2k\]: but r12 is a bit slow
fractic [2k\]: even if you get r12 and then invade black will get a good moyo on the top side
hatrick [4k\]: just water :-/
cliftut [14k?\]: When is someone going to claim territory in top middle?
shinkirou [1k\]: mingjiu is playing on another board right now :) and in a pretty complicated fight 
Uberdude [2d\]: split top now i think
Nyanbot: l17 j17 o17 p17 o16 maybe, but w extension isnt 100% efficient
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;W[kc]C[Nouli [-\]: I won o//
krakengo [1d\]: :)
cliftut [14k?\]: I spoke too soon.
Nyanbot: you rule
Pinus [6k\]: Back to a quiet game.
Jenghis [2k\]: Shall we call that a tie between the kyus and dans?
Uberdude [2d\]: q18 is the follow up on the right
Uberdude [2d\]: i think b may n17
Uberdude [2d\]: but then r17 is tricky
Nyanbot: j17 imho
GoteGote [1d\]: just p17?
vop [11k\]: : |
EagleHelm [11k\]: i was right!
krakengo [1d\]: what about tenuki
MXHero [-\]: i like p17
shinkirou [1k\]: i was thinking p17 but doesn't seem active enough
H2He [7k\]: j17, pls
fractic [2k\]: tenuki to where kraken?
krakengo [1d\]: each b move has problems
EagleHelm [11k\]: j17 
Reborned [1k\]: h17 
Reborned [1k\]: ?
Jenghis [2k\]: Oh eagle helm called it! one more for the kyus's : )
krakengo [1d\]: maybe wait to decide
Nyanbot: h17 is loose
Bruno5940 [16k\]: o17 is that ok?
Nyanbot: j17 better?
Rocker [4d\]: R121111111
Nyanbot: p17 sounds fine
Rocker [4d\]: r12!!!!
sentience [-\]: b seems a little better? it looks as he has more potential
Fatality [7k\]: n17 
Pinus [6k\]: I think J17 is the correct side.
EagleHelm [11k\]: yeah
MXHero [-\]: if b feels good about the game, p17 is great
Nyanbot: j17 o17 p17 o16 the easy way
shinkirou [1k\]: i'm wondering about o4 now ... vulgar but maybe it can be useful soon
jankenpopp: ??
EagleHelm [11k\]: o17 is terrible
GoteGote [1d\]: p17 looks a little sente against l17 and sager than longer extension
Nyanbot: p17 h17 and w has f17 latter
Rocker [4d\]: 90% SURE R12 , OK?
Bruno5940 [16k\]: can u explain to me?
Pinus [6k\]: I like P17 too, very quiet.
sentience [-\]: o4 doesn't do much?
EagleHelm [11k\]: o17 leaves the corner open
SunnyD [3d\]: R7
krakengo [1d\]: i don't know, P17 is really slow, N17 has too much corner aji, and we can go on with each move
shinkirou [1k\]: o4 tries to make centre w not right away though
fractic [2k\]: I like j17 because black can end in sente on the top and take r11
SunnyD [3d\]: C12
Nouli [-\]: One question, how a profesionnal can go up in dan level ?
MXHero [-\]: winning tournaments
Nyanbot: with time
Rocker [4d\]: R12 90% P17 NEXTCANDIDATE
EagleHelm [11k\]: Oteai
SunnyD [3d\]: gain xp points
tzolee [4k?\]: p17
tzolee [4k?\]: ?
fractic [2k\]: r12 by black?
AutoAtari [3k?\]: they play regular games, ooteai
Rocker [4d\]: OK?
fractic [2k\]: why not r11?
Rocker [4d\]: AH
Rocker [4d\]: YES R11
Prodigious [4d\]: Well, no Oteai in Japan anymore
krakengo [1d\]: i think R11 better tha answering at top
Nyanbot: yep
hatrick [4k\]: i like R12 too
EagleHelm [11k\]: really? no oteai?
fractic [2k\]: i think you can just get both
cliftut [14k?\]: h17 or g17 feel good to me, as well as o17 and r18.
Prodigious [4d\]: Yeah, they dropped it a while ago
Nyanbot: ooteai is hikaru no go stuff
hatrick [4k\]: R11 or R12
Rocker [4d\]: I WAS CONFUSED WITH W TAKING R12 , BUT I MEANT R11 FUR SHO!
oonicks [?\]: i think j17 is best and b will play o17
AutoAtari [3k?\]: what do thry do instead?
SunnyD [3d\]: there is still oteai in japan
Reborned [1k\]: j17  looks fine ere
tzolee [4k?\]: r11 maybe better than r12 ..
Nouli [-\]: so a 8p is someone who won some tournaments in the past or someone who can beat lower dan players ?
Jenghis [2k\]: Move already !
USGO1 [-\]: Kim has stepped away from the board to throw away his water cup.
EagleHelm [11k\]: thats what i think
Nyanjilla [-\]: no, there is no longer an oteai in Japan
MXHero [-\]: b would not play o17
Nyanbot: they have goals to reach each pro ranking
krakengo [1d\]: if J17, w can Q17, or Q18, not O17
SunnyD [3d\]: there is oteai for sumo
Nyanjilla [-\]: true
Rocker [4d\]: the cup broke?
hatrick [4k\]: im guessing it's a plastic or paper cup
Nyanbot: each pro level has a set of goals, the pro who accomplishes all the goals of such level evolves to that level
SunnyD [3d\]: Crushed the cup in anger?
Nouli [-\]: ok so it's not the same way than martial arts
Lynx [2d\]: It's 08/08/08
USGO1 [-\]: Just a paper cup.  Probably just stretching his legs.
cliftut [14k?\]: I think the greater tension is on the upper left, but possibly bigger points in the end if black goes upper right first.
Nyanjilla [-\]: Nyanbot is spreading disinformatin
Nyanbot: what?
Lynx [2d\]: Stop faking Nyanbot. 
Lynx [2d\]: The show's up.
Nyanbot: im not faking... i read it was like that
hatrick [4k\]: I don't think blck will play on top
EagleHelm [11k\]: yeah the oteai was disbanded in 2003
jeffywhite [7k\]: there has been so much talking that move 44 has left the text screen
sentience [-\]: top is only place to play
EagleHelm [11k\]: just looked it up on senseis
JOC [?\]: whats oteai
krakengo [1d\]: maybe
Lynx [2d\]: top is pretty big
hatrick [4k\]: it doesn't "feel" right to play on the top though lol
krakengo [1d\]: then R14 had to be at top, since there is no satisfying move for b
hatrick [4k\]: to 4k me, albeit
carla [7k\]: how do I become a professional 7k?
EagleHelm [11k\]: Oteai was a ranking tournament for professionals in japan untill 2003
GoteGote [1d\]: Wht's the purpose of f17 i didn't remember
GoteGote [1d\]: ?
GiantCat [-\]: I'm impressed at their patience
EagleHelm [11k\]: lol carla
Lynx [2d\]: kgs 7k much weaker than pro 7k
Lynx [2d\]: it's not easy, carla.
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;B[ch]C[EagleHelm [11k\]: lol
carla [7k\]: yes but I'm a strong 7k
krakengo [1d\]: good call
Jenghis [2k\]: another push?
krakengo [1d\]: b waits and sees
hatrick [4k\]: wow, who guessed that one? i think 1 person did! lol
okiol [5k\]: pro 7k?
tzolee [4k?\]: p 7k ? :-)
EagleHelm [11k\]: 7pk
JOC [?\]: you have to beat a pro 8k several times
SunnyD [3d\]: Juice power
Nouli [-\]: is it preparing something like J16 after ?
Lynx [2d\]: I played a pro 8k...it wasn't good.
IstTengen [9k\]: Carla -7p
Chievo [3k\]: woah
Chievo [3k\]: b is really daring
hatrick [4k\]: Carla 7pk
okiol [5k\]: lynx, i'm not sure, but i think you misunderstood something
Fatality [7k\]: actually it's possible to become 7k professional. you just have to earn your money with go at 7k level
carla [7k\]: ok thx guys
Chievo [3k\]: difficult for w
EagleHelm [11k\]: wow some people can't take a joke
Lynx [2d\]: so if your 7k and make a living selling go books n stuff, you're pro 7k?
Chievo [3k\]: maybe tenuki is best?
sentience [-\]: ...
okiol [5k\]: yeah, and also, it's possible to take away the sund, you just need enouigh water
Fatality [7k\]: no problem carla ;) I'm always here for dumb questions :)
okiol [5k\]: sun***
sentience [-\]: no, since you'd be seling books, not playing go
EagleHelm [11k\]: okiol water wouldn't put the sun out
Nouli [-\]: well you can have a p on kgz only assuming you have a diploma from a go federation
okiol [5k\]: enough water would
Lynx [2d\]: I sell the books while I play Go.
okiol [5k\]: trust me, all you need is enough water
Chievo [3k\]: and b has surrounding influence for C12 as well
Chievo [3k\]: difficult position for w
EagleHelm [11k\]: i think d12 is best
jeffywhite [7k\]: i think w should connect and make big thickness
IstTengen [9k\]: okiol... the water would disintegrate at the temperature and the hydrogen would feed the suns reaction... so... no?
okiol [5k\]: don't change subject, chievo
H2He [7k\]: now "Go World 1-108" in dvd :)
Chievo [3k\]: not changing
AutoAtari [3k?\]: d11
Chievo [3k\]: just discussing the game
okiol [5k\]: that's not true
EagleHelm [11k\]: d11 does look good
Jenghis [2k\]: Do we have a consensus froml the Kyu's d11 or d12?
hatrick [4k\]: i don't like d11...
jeffywhite [7k\]: 12
jeffywhite [7k\]: i like d 12
okiol [5k\]: whatever, let's just look at the game, i'll let you get last word
Ophelia [-\]: d12
Chievo [3k\]: thank you mr okial
Fatality [7k\]: d11 
carpenter [6k\]: b10
Lynx [2d\]: ask them how they know - it's me.
huginmunin [10k\]: e11 maybe?
Ophelia [-\]: or jump
Jenghis [2k\]: I notice a conspicous quiet from the dans?
EagleHelm [11k\]: i can't choose between d11 or d12
Lynx [2d\]: is a dan
Lynx [2d\]: w must make a sente thickness move
ronni [2d?\]: I would play d11, so this certainly no good move
EagleHelm [11k\]: lynx how would you play?
Jenghis [2k\]: What is your guess Lynx?
Lynx [2d\]: d12!
EagleHelm [11k\]: cool
Tsuijin [1d\]: gonna give a wild guess and say C11!
Chievo [3k\]: lol
AutoAtari [3k?\]: and then w plays on the top or somewhere else :p
hatrick [4k\]: u gotta see what white's aim would be...
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;W[dh]C[DSCH [5d\]: D12 is normal now.
EagleHelm [11k\]: yay!
Ophelia [-\]: yay
Chievo [3k\]: WOH
Jenghis [2k\]: and lynx nails it : )
jeffywhite [7k\]: ho
jeffywhite [7k\]: i was right
hatrick [4k\]: half the ppl here nailed it :-/
okiol [5k\]: dsch writing very fast
EagleHelm [11k\]: lol thats true hatrick
Jenghis [2k\]: have to call it a push : )
carla [7k\]: poor D12, full of nails
EagleHelm [11k\]: nail?
deft [4d\]: lower left B group has poor shape
hatrick [4k\]: C11? lol
SunnyD [3d\]: how many called C12?
krakengo [1d\]: are you the one carla ?
carla [7k\]: i am the one
Nouli [-\]: the singer ?
Gresil [8k\]: carla bozulich?
Tower [3d\]: who's leading the open right now ?
Loop [5k\]: sunny too
AutoAtari [3k?\]: the professional kyu
ronni [2d?\]: w slowly forming strong middle influence
hatrick [4k\]: sunnyD and 1 other person called c12 i thnk
outstander [4k\]: how can someone lead in a tourney??
EagleHelm [11k\]: c12 would be bad
hatrick [4k\]: d11? i think c11 is more normal...
DSCH [5d\]: I like white in this game.
pwoner [3d\]: =/
SunnyD [3d\]: This is the final
Tower [3d\]: by having the best record currently ?
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;B[oc]C[Nouli [-\]: W O6 is dangerous no ?
okiol [5k\]: if it's built as a leuge
nogonow [7k\]: aji
EagleHelm [11k\]: h17 
Jenghis [2k\]: Did anyone call that?
hatrick [4k\]: i don';t think so
H2He [7k\]: Rocker long time ago
hatrick [4k\]: not as move 47 at least
Jenghis [2k\]: yeh, but after r11
EagleHelm [11k\]: whites group needs a base so h17
hatrick [4k\]: r12!
outstander [4k\]: prob right
MrShintou [-\]: black is making profit, because he is ahead, and feels no threat from the center
ronni [2d?\]: h 17 another tenuki for b
Lynx [2d\]: agree with h17
EagleHelm [11k\]: cool
EagleHelm [11k\]: thanks lynx
hatrick [4k\]: well, black has like 3 corners 
GoteGote [1d\]: f17?
Lynx [2d\]: two dans have spoken
Tower [3d\]: haha
USGO1 [-\]: Both Myungwan Kim and Kuo Yin are leading the US Open at this time with 4 wins and no losses.  Saturday morning is the final round.
Tower [3d\]: ahh so this is the battle of the big shots
SunnyD [3d\]: R17
Nyanbot: is there someone stronger than them?
Ophelia [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/crosstab.html
hatrick [4k\]: but no urgency for r17, is there?
carla [7k\]: are you also participating Ophelia?
Ophelia [-\]: no :(
john [5k\]: H17 is safe but too small. Kim is thinking now how to avoid it
Tower [3d\]: its almost necessary
Ophelia [-\]: I usually do.  but I can't this year
Tower [3d\]: H17 by black is too good it seems to me
Tower [3d\]: or J17
carla [7k\]: next year maybe
oonicks [?\]: g17
Nyanbot: w h17, b f17 
MrShintou [-\]: white has 2 moves... h17  or g17 
Tower [3d\]: attacking F5 might be sente but he'll need to add a move up there soon i think
hatrick [4k\]: white should play h17 rather than j17 if u ask me
MXHero [-\]: c12 is incomprehensible to me
john [5k\]: I agree Tower. just imagin
EagleHelm [11k\]: i think g17 is too easlily split
EagleHelm [11k\]: *easily
Rocker [4d\]: w R12!!NOW!!
john [5k\]: I predict G17
Tower [3d\]: its not splittable really, but black is so thick on both sides
Tower [3d\]: its probably not the best move
MrShintou [-\]: *slaps rockers wrist*
Nouli [-\]: no way to play on the fourth line for influence 
Nouli [-\]: ?
krakengo [1d\]: C12 = probe
Nyanbot: what means MMS in that crosstab?
H2He [7k\]: thank you very much: Ophelia
Vash3G [-\]: MAcMAhon Score
krakengo [1d\]: have w commit
MXHero [-\]: well yes it's a probe, but the timing is so interesting
GoteGote [1d\]: g17 will be to close to f17 too  delete a cool option
Fatality [7k\]: j17 would be too good for black to allow
Rocker [4d\]: HOW ABOUT R17 PROBE NOW?
Nyanbot: i see
Gresil [8k\]: there's nothing white can do with l17 in sente, so he'll play kikashi somewhere first?
MXHero [-\]: i just have no idea what b has in mind for it right now
Tsuijin [1d\]: yah I agree with rocker
Tsuijin [1d\]: r17 probe!!
hatrick [4k\]: if r12, blk plays like...g17
krakengo [1d\]: maybe later b can make w regret D12 for some other move
Violet [2d\]: what is kikashi?
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;W[hc]C[Tower [3d\]: forcing move i think
EagleHelm [11k\]: yay!
hatrick [4k\]: yay!
krakengo [1d\]: yes kakashi
MXHero [-\]: well yes, but considering how long b thought about that move i'd think there's more to it than that
Rocker [4d\]: OOPS I M BAD SORRY
]
;B[qi]C[MrShintou [-\]: blakc to play B14.
Tower [3d\]: hmm
Tower [3d\]: F9
Tower [3d\]: or so ?
JOC [?\]: hows white going to win this?
MXHero [-\]: rocker! you got it now :)
Rocker [4d\]: FINALLY r11!!
hatrick [4k\]: lol
Iliusha [3d\]: no Rock, u r 2 STRONG
Nyanbot: WHY CAPS?
Tower [3d\]: he's going to build a wall at E8 area then seal E16
H2He [7k\]: blitz go
Tower [3d\]: and make a big center!
EagleHelm [11k\]: i think white will win
sentience [-\]: coz cap rulez
JOC [?\]: killing g3 group ;D
krakengo [1d\]: w to attack bottom left
jankenpopp: n18
nogonow [7k\]: big for b
bblz [8k\]: how much time left, please?
Rocker [4d\]: r17 now?
outstander [4k\]: b is doing well
fractic [2k\]: w needs to attack soon
EagleHelm [11k\]: r17 is dead
nogonow [7k\]: right 
fractic [2k\]: b ahead on territory
AutoAtari [3k?\]: r17 is ko?
Rocker [4d\]: c11?
Nouli [-\]: san san is playable with that kind of enclosure ?
fractic [2k\]: r17 is as dead as they get
DSCH [5d\]: R17 now may only lose points.
nogonow [7k\]: ko?
Lynx [2d\]: I have made two statements that were right
krakengo [1d\]: R17 = probe
krakengo [1d\]: but bad now i think
fractic [2k\]: i don't think you will get a lot of useful forcing moves even
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;W[eb]C[EagleHelm [11k\]: i like that move
MXHero [-\]: neat
Nyanbot: yeah
AutoAtari [3k?\]: ah, must be dead
hatrick [4k\]: didnt guess that one :-/
fractic [2k\]: it's nice
MrShintou [-\]: krak,,, you cannot R17 they were joking
krakengo [1d\]: aaaah not easy
Nyanbot: f17 was big for b
]
;B[db]C[Rocker [4d\]: d18
Jenghis [2k\]: too slow Rocker : (
bblz [8k\]: USGO, how much time is left, please?
hatrick [4k\]: f17
EagleHelm [11k\]: a bit late
Rocker [4d\]: r17 or c11?
EagleHelm [11k\]: g15 
USGO1 [-\]: Kim goes to place a stone, then puts it back in the bowl to think some more.
fractic [2k\]: f18 feels better then f17
Lynx [2d\]: classic Kim =)
fractic [2k\]: but i think it's too slow
hatrick [4k\]: do u know kim?
GoteGote [1d\]: tenuki
Chievo [3k\]: kim is a hero
EagleHelm [11k\]: which association is kim in?
]
;W[bf]C[Chievo [3k\]: aga duh
H2He [7k\]: R17 is ko?
EagleHelm [11k\]: no
]
;B[gb]C[Rocker [4d\]: dang........
Nyanbot: AGA does not do pros
Gresil [8k\]: he can't be a pro in aga...
GoteGote [1d\]: e18 d18 is a good exchange for white now he must take sente in other part of board
sentience [-\]: r17 is dead
Nyanbot: duh
carla [7k\]: he's an imported pro
EagleHelm [11k\]: i know
Chievo [3k\]: sherlocks
EagleHelm [11k\]: which one?
Nouli [-\]: H18 and then G15 ?
Chievo [3k\]: AGA
krakengo [1d\]: B14 in sente is huge
EagleHelm [11k\]: chievo shut up
Rocker [4d\]: h18??????
krakengo [1d\]: b bottom left a lot weaker now
fractic [2k\]: h18 feels passive
Nyanbot: still strong enough
H2He [7k\]: yes
EagleHelm [11k\]: black bottom left can escape
AutoAtari [3k?\]: f17?
DSCH [5d\]: G18 does not seem to require direct answer.
GoteGote [1d\]: bottom left is not so weak i think b4 looks like his sente
EagleHelm [11k\]: what is the byo yomi in this game?
USGO1 [-\]: Yin played the last move very deliberately on the board.  Kim did not seem pleased with the result.
Fatality [7k\]: look options
Rocker [4d\]: H18!!!!!
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;W[bp]C[carla [7k\]: 5x 0:30
krakengo [1d\]: :)
krakengo [1d\]: vital point
Nouli [-\]: 5d owns
MrShintou [-\]: i do not know why b did not take b14 earlier
WWSD [1k\]: thats great, describe their emotion
GoteGote [1d\]: b4 was big!
USGO1 [-\]: Time Check - W: 59 minutes remaining, B: 53 minutes.
MrShintou [-\]: what is kim wearing?
WWSD [1k\]: lol
outstander [4k\]: lol
Nyanbot: nothing
krakengo [1d\]: E18 worth remembering
EagleHelm [11k\]: i think white will win
hatrick [4k\]: lol
hatrick [4k\]: lol
MrShintou [-\]: but... black has so many more points
EagleHelm [11k\]: he does
JOC [?\]: some beautiful moyo building sequence or resign 
EagleHelm [11k\]: i'm just being hopeful
H2He [7k\]: E18 is lost?
Rocker [4d\]: TENUKI AND H18? 
krakengo [1d\]: no
YouWish [?\]: this is so slow game..
Nyanbot: b5
EagleHelm [11k\]: YouWish: it gives us time to discuss
jankenpopp: d10
Rocker [4d\]: TENUKI LIKE  man
krakengo [1d\]: well yes, go b, H18, so i can do something else
EagleHelm [11k\]: and get strong at kibitz
]
;B[bk]C[Rocker [4d\]: gee!!
outstander [4k\]: kibitz is half the battle
DragonWolf [5k\]: why does black C12
DragonWolf [5k\]: ?
WWSD [1k\]: i was just going to ask if there were any weakness in that group
hatrick [4k\]: where does the word kibitz come from :-/
Nyanbot: german
fractic [2k\]: C12 was a probe
outstander [4k\]: at go school, you don't even touch a piece for the first 3 years.. just kibitz
YouWish [?\]: how much time left for each player?
H2He [7k\]: isreal
USGO1 [-\]: Some of the other boards in the room are starting to finish up near our top boards.  The noise is a distraction to both players, but they soon go away.
Rocker [4d\]: ok b wants b5 
Gresil [8k\]: sounds yiddishy
Nyanbot: kibitz, blitz, all german origin
DragonWolf [5k\]: what is the benefit?
DragonWolf [5k\]: aji for later?
Nyanbot: blitzkrieg, remember
EagleHelm [11k\]: outstander how would you know?
outstander [4k\]: eagle: i was joking :)
carla [7k\]: blitzkibitz
krakengo [1d\]: R11 mistake it seems
Thmayu [3d\]: if b plays solidly he should be able to win
fractic [2k\]: the benefit of C12 is to see how white answers so black can decide how to play
krakengo [1d\]: pintokonai, was that the word
hatrick [4k\]: it's a chess term!!! kibitz
USGO1 [-\]: Black has roughly 50 minutes remaining while White has nearly 60.
Lynx [2d\]: I guess there're a lot of ways to fail yourself.
Nyanbot: imported from Germany
outstander [4k\]: w has to b10 no?
Tower [3d\]: what are the nationalities of these pros ?
outstander [4k\]: b b10 is painful + sente
Nyanbot: korean and chinoise
Lynx [2d\]: but the number one way is by not trying
DragonWolf [5k\]: chinese and korean would be my guess
Lynx [2d\]: you have to believe in yourself first
krakengo [1d\]: both have many 2nd line moves
Rocker [4d\]: w thinking of b5???????
jankenpopp: b10 has to be the best move here
]
;W[bo]C[carla [7k\]: the second line is the line of defeat
jankenpopp: but watch white tenki..
jankenpopp: tenuki*
Neospring [3k\]: b6 prob better
H2He [7k\]: kibitz=kibutz=colletive( from israel)
Uberdude [2d\]: 2nd line is win
Rocker [4d\]: hehehe
Uberdude [2d\]: i like w position in this coner
krakengo [1d\]: don't B4 if not ready to B5 ;-)
MrShintou [-\]: whites making 2 weak groups...
Uberdude [2d\]: h3 group is junk
hatrick [4k\]: kibitz and kibutz are different i think :-/
Nyanbot: Germany imported kibitz from Isreal then
Nouli [-\]: dans are owning kyu's kibitzers
Tower [3d\]: that would seem normal no?
Rocker [4d\]: b11
krakengo [1d\]: go b, B10
Neospring [3k\]: b10 
Lynx [2d\]: this position is bad. both black and white are rGOOOO superstarrs..
krakengo [1d\]: it's big and sente, second line !!
Nyanbot: c9
DragonWolf [5k\]: is B11 better than B10?
Tower [3d\]: i'd b10
krakengo [1d\]: canoot
WWSD [1k\]: so white wants to fight?
Rocker [4d\]: I MEAN B10
MrShintou [-\]: c11 i play
DragonWolf [5k\]: C10 seems like big yose
WWSD [1k\]: weak vs weak vs weak
DragonWolf [5k\]: B10
Nyanbot: c9
krakengo [1d\]: cannot B10, running into B14 is meaningless for b
krakengo [1d\]: fix those keima, b
Rocker [4d\]: ITS MY EROOR , I MEANT B10 OF CURSE
Betonlife [2k\]: kibitz, isn't it yiddish rather ?
DragonWolf [5k\]: krak: isn't it a ladder into blacks wall?
isaka [-\]: rocky, get a dictionary
Neospring [3k\]: d11 
DragonWolf [5k\]: might be gote for black though
Tower [3d\]: rocker is just being silly
isaka [-\]: and turn off your caps ±'
krakengo [1d\]: kitani minoru disliked the keima
Nyanbot: yeah
Tower [3d\]: B10, C6 though maybe ?
outstander [4k\]: i just read that on some forum today...
Nyanbot: if rocker can speak all caps we also can
MrShintou [-\]: if you want the auntology of the word
krakengo [1d\]: because it can always be cut or exploited
MrShintou [-\]: it comes from kibitsen which is yidish which came from kiebitzen from german.
sleblanc [9k\]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz
Schlaefer [?\]: what are the stars, crowns and hexagons at the names for?
Tower [3d\]: rulers of kgs for a day
krakengo [1d\]: see KGS FAQ
hatrick [4k\]: black seems in trouble now :-/
MrShintou [-\]: c11 cut is deeper than b10 
Schlaefer [?\]: i looked already in the faq
Schlaefer [?\]: did not find it
krakengo [1d\]: mmmh
Pedro6548 [11k\]: may be c11?
Nyanbot: c9
Uberdude [2d\]: Schlaefer, click the help menu
Neospring [3k\]: stars =gm crowns = tourny winner hexagon = subscriber
Uberdude [2d\]: then select help
DSCH [5d\]: No stone above the fifth line so far… quite a quiet game.
WWSD [1k\]: B10 or protect C6 area?
Lynx [2d\]: feels like W is using GO power that B is not using!!
Uberdude [2d\]: form that page there is a link to icons
]
;B[ck]C[Nyanbot: i win
Schlaefer [?\]: thanx guys!
cliftut [14k?\]: C11 or B10 I expect.
Pedro6548 [11k\]: why that?
Neospring [3k\]: cuz w wont lay b10
carla [7k\]: the side who plays tengen will win
JOC [?\]: i think w is playing a bomb move now
Faint31k [1k\]: tengen isnt really good for anything atm
DragonWolf [5k\]: hmm I don't think tengen is worth much here.. doesn't really form nice moyo or stop any ladders
Nyanbot: d10 natural
]
;W[dj]C[Nyanbot: i win again
]
;B[bj]C[krakengo [1d\]: ok 1 keima fixed
seishiro [15k\]: i think b10 will do
GoteGote [1d\]: now c6
DSCH [5d\]: Nyanbot is strong.
DragonWolf [5k\]: how strong?
Nyanbot: very
Fatality [7k\]: Nyanbot 9d?
DragonWolf [5k\]: B11?
WWSD [1k\]: wouldnt C11 work instead of D10?
DragonWolf [5k\]: or is that too slow?
nogonow [7k\]: Nyanbot who r u?
seishiro [15k\]: b11
twintom [6k\]: wrong direction
Faint31k [1k\]: c11 
twintom [6k\]: y
Nyanbot: c11 is bad
Neospring [3k\]: c11 bad..
Gresil [8k\]: e7!
Faint31k [1k\]: b11 bad >>
carla [7k\]: lol twintom
Lynx [2d\]: b12 local imoooo
EagleHelm [11k\]: b11 
Tower [3d\]: cut cut cut
WWSD [1k\]: why is it bad
seishiro [15k\]: how is b11 bad
Lynx [2d\]: iMo
EagleHelm [11k\]: or b12
WWSD [1k\]: well was WAS it bad
WWSD [1k\]: why*
Neospring [3k\]: time to run
DragonWolf [5k\]: D9 frirst?
Tower [3d\]: cutttttttttttt
krakengo [1d\]: B12 over B11
DragonWolf [5k\]: or C6?
Tower [3d\]: c6
AutoAtari [3k?\]: if he plays in that area, it can only be b12, but he'll probably do something else
DragonWolf [5k\]: hmm bit early for c6
Neospring [3k\]: d9 forces b to make good shape..
EagleHelm [11k\]: b12
EagleHelm [11k\]: wow
WWSD [1k\]: E7
Tower [3d\]: i don't think the loose net works
EagleHelm [11k\]: just read out b11
EagleHelm [11k\]: muy bad
Nyanbot: c6 isnt cut
DragonWolf [5k\]: B11 doesn't work at all I don't think
Fatality [7k\]: b11 is not vital, so white must run
WWSD [1k\]: why not cut
seishiro [15k\]: it will work for playing b11
DragonWolf [5k\]: C6 might be best
Tower [3d\]: c6 looks like a cut to me
AutoAtari [3k?\]: e8
Bierce [1d\]: b12 vital
Nyanbot: but is not
EagleHelm [11k\]: fatality read out b11
Uberdude [2d\]: b12 i suppose
EagleHelm [11k\]: bad
krakengo [1d\]: no, b has D9 now
Tower [3d\]: i don't think the loose ladder works, no net or anything
]
;W[cn]C[DragonWolf [5k\]: B7?
krakengo [1d\]: aw
DragonWolf [5k\]: ah nm
DragonWolf [5k\]: god I'm stupid
Nyanbot: e7 ?
Tower [3d\]: oh the loose ladder does work doesn't it
EagleHelm [11k\]: d7
Neospring [3k\]: e8 
Pedro6548 [11k\]: d7?
DragonWolf [5k\]: D7 seems okay?
Tower [3d\]: D6 might be best, can't cut it with d6
DragonWolf [5k\]: F8 will connect?
twintom [6k\]: b has terribly bad forms
Nouli [-\]: E7 ?
twintom [6k\]: this will cost him dearly
Pedro6548 [11k\]: but in b6 w can cut right
Pedro6548 [11k\]: ?
Fatality [7k\]: e7 
Pedro6548 [11k\]: d6
Chievo [3k\]: b bad shapenwith d6
Rocker [4d\]: this gane is supa tedious
EagleHelm [11k\]: i thought white would win
Tower [3d\]: d6 protects the cut though
Tower [3d\]: d7 is cuttable
GoteGote [1d\]: e7 d8?
krakengo [1d\]: maybe that's w 's plan
WWSD [1k\]: e7
eviiL [3d\]: how much time have they left ?
outstander [4k\]: is b c11 stupid?
deft [4d\]: why isn't D6 'cuttable', Tower?
Chievo [3k\]: to think that w managed to lose to a bot just yesterday
Equitsumei [-\]: f7 
krakengo [1d\]: yes C11 helps w
krakengo [1d\]: less than b
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;B[em]C[fractic [2k\]: after C11 white's cut is too severe
Nyanbot: i win again
Nouli [-\]: oh lol
Nyanbot: im a winner
twintom [6k\]: finally good shape
JOC [?\]: b has something read out
EagleHelm [11k\]: d8 
GoteGote [1d\]: d8? the ladder is good for white
Fatality [7k\]: Nyanbot 9d?
deft [4d\]: this one cannot be cut
Lynx [2d\]: good move to connecting
AutoAtari [3k?\]: Nyanbot if you guess b moves and b loses then you're a loser
Nyanbot: my moves are 3p-like
Rocker [4d\]: hey this waas too easy
twintom [6k\]: lol
Chievo [3k\]: this is definitely pro move
Nouli [-\]: yeah I'm noobish and I guess xD
EagleHelm [11k\]: d8 i like the splitting atack if black responds d7
krakengo [1d\]: ok
Neospring [3k\]: d9 
eviiL [3d\]: how much time have both players still left ? o-o
Fatality [7k\]: d8 
Chievo [3k\]: ama couldnt think up a move like this in a hundred year
krakengo [1d\]: now it's time to help D10 group
Chievo [3k\]: s
Fatality [7k\]: white cannot allow black to play it
Rocker [4d\]: d7
deft [4d\]: it's the best move, so it's clearly a pro move - but I think all players should be able to find this move with a little thinking
EagleHelm [11k\]: d7 is stupid
revival [2d\]: b12?
H2He [7k\]: only USGO1 konw
uuffy: what splitting attack
USGO1 [-\]: I can't see black's clock, will get you a timecheck when I can soon.
fruitdrops [3k\]: b seems to be ahead
lemmming [7k\]: thanks
eviiL [3d\]: thx usgo 
GoteGote [1d\]: d7 d8 no?
Chievo [3k\]: deft youre closer to pro level, so your vision is blurred
EagleHelm [11k\]: thank you casey for voluteering
LEIBNIZ [4k\]: I like G7
WWSD [1k\]: either d7 or a threating more to d7
WWSD [1k\]: move*
Gresil [8k\]: how does black respond to d8?
USGO1 [-\]: Yin has stepped away from the board again.
Fatality [7k\]: d7 
krakengo [1d\]: i like G9
Chievo [3k\]: to the toilet?
Fatality [7k\]: d8 -> d7 I mean
revival [2d\]: b12 seems honte
AutoAtari [3k?\]: d8 d9 maybe
deft [4d\]: the problem is that the B group has little eyeshape
deft [4d\]: so it's possible to attack it on a large scale
Reborned [1k\]: the 3p is doing well :D
lemmming [7k\]: hm, did any pro ever write a book about what he/she does when stepping away from the board?
deft [4d\]: W might be able to build something nice in the center
guerecon [2k\]: W s3?
revival [2d\]: i see
uuffy: but b so settled top right
DragonWolf [5k\]: lemming: title... "Phone a friend"
krakengo [1d\]: but top right is so off focus now
Pedro6548 [11k\]: is f8 possible?
Chievo [3k\]: maybe grabbing coffee
Rocker [4d\]: camong
H2He [7k\]: still only to the 5th line
Bruno5940 [16k\]: USGO1 ,why does Kuo Yin keep stepping away from the the board?
GoteGote [1d\]: c8?
carla [7k\]: lol DragonWolf
Bierce [1d\]: these 2 sure play slow compared to the other boards
DragonWolf [5k\]: :)
WWSD [1k\]: what about g7
Nyanbot: this game is important
USGO1 [-\]: Yin has returned to the board.  Didn't bring anything back with him, so assuming a bathroom break.
Iliusha [3d\]: i think w leading by komi
Bruno5940 [16k\]: thanks
Rocker [4d\]: any popcorns or chips availabe?
Neospring [3k\]: popcorn...
Neospring [3k\]: rofl
krakengo [1d\]: w leading with this attack
H2He [7k\]: :)
Iliusha [3d\]: ^^
Iliusha [3d\]: no Rock, popcorn only for observers
Neospring [3k\]: when i hit 9d imma eat popcorn and pizza when playin
Nouli [-\]: is B Q8 playable ?
Loop [5k\]: bathroom ? so he win
Ophelia [-\]: sometimes I find it clears my head to step away from the board.  get a fresh look at the position.
Chievo [3k\]: not when, but if
MrShintou [-\]: how can white be leading, he has less than 20points
revival [2d\]: tournament games are very stressful
Loop [5k\]: psychological war
carla [7k\]: what's the prize?
Loop [5k\]: o
WWSD [1k\]: neospring, you gotta do like buffalo wings while holding on to a 5 foot hand fan
EagleHelm [11k\]: white wints
DragonWolf [5k\]: hmm I think white might play away?
Neospring [3k\]: lol
Iliusha [3d\]: USGO
DragonWolf [5k\]: P11 or something?
EagleHelm [11k\]: *wins
Iliusha [3d\]: ing masters final today?
Neospring [3k\]: use the fan to hide me eating? haha
Rocker [4d\]: they think too much.......
WWSD [1k\]: heh yeah and blow the smell of the wings tothe other player to distract
Neospring [3k\]: maby thats why they pro's rocker
USGO1 [-\]: Time Check - W: 45 minutes remaining, B: 42 minutes.
outstander [4k\]: p's should just be able to use the force ey?
eviiL [3d\]: thank you usgo1
Astral [3k\]: is it possible to play R17?
GoteGote [1d\]: d8 looks a very important point for black
Fatality [7k\]: Fatality [9p\]: o5 also nice
H2He [7k\]: Rocker: can you take a 7 kyu player to 2 kyu for money?
Neospring [3k\]: why to 2kyu?
Neospring [3k\]: lol
H2He [7k\]: 1th step
carla [7k\]: then he'll be able to beat you Neo
Nyanbot: kyus should not pay for lessons
USGO1 [-\]: Both players seem to be getting more intense about counting the board and reading longer.
WWSD [1k\]: rocker can i buy some of those d's from you
Chievo [3k\]: oh no if they dont hurry its going to be a blitz game
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;W[bi]C[outstander [4k\]: whoa..
krakengo [1d\]: !
Tsuijin [1d\]: cool
fruitdrops [3k\]: huge
mower [-\]: is this live?
Lynx [2d\]: w don't do mistakzings
Rocker [4d\]: i take people that r cute
Lynx [2d\]: scoo aoo aaosos zczco
outstander [4k\]: b12???
nogonow [7k\]: live????
trambeto [?\]: white is going to have to have some amazing middle game
GoteGote [1d\]: oh b11 aims at d8
deft [4d\]: if I was W I would have liked to play H9
mower [-\]: is it live?
NickSib [2d\]: w b11 was better than b12?
GoteGote [1d\]: now if b12 d8 cut
krakengo [1d\]: no no B12 is not interesting for b now
WWSD [1k\]: b12
Nyanbot: e9?
Neospring [3k\]: h9 gives b more territory and getting nothing?
trambeto [?\]: white will kill something in the bottom left surely
Nyanbot: e9 or f9
Rocker [4d\]: d6
Neospring [3k\]: h18
Chievo [3k\]: w is forcing b to gote
Pedro6548 [11k\]: b12 but w thoth too much maybe it's his intention 
revival [2d\]: d6 is bad shape
krakengo [1d\]: B12 aji keshi now, w C12 then b ??
Nyanbot: f9 better than e9
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Rocker [4d\]: revival strong
deft [4d\]: B12 is fairly big since it removes eyespace
revival [2d\]: no not at all.. haha
sentience [-\]: f8 ?
krakengo [1d\]: but it doesn't give b that space
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Rocker [4d\]: moku wise h18 is the biggest
Fatality [7k\]: hardly a move beyond 4th line till now
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DarthVader [12k?\]: hey! no spamming
GoteGote [1d\]: b12 d8 d7 c8 b7 b8 a8 a9  then d9 is sente and black has not eye space
krakengo [1d\]: besides if b could B12 now, would 8p B11 ? (cheap argument i know)
revival [2d\]: b12 just seems small
deft [4d\]: my feeling is that getting out in the center is most important
Nyanbot: b11 is very big
krakengo [1d\]: B12 C12, b cause did not advance at all
revival [2d\]: yes, but B b12 now would be small
Nouli [-\]: white lost much influence on the center
Neospring [3k\]: b12 c11 a11 d11 d6 d7 d2 d1 h18 j17 f14 h9 f13  r17 = win
Astral [3k\]: lol
Neospring [3k\]: lol
DragonWolf [5k\]: is't blacks influence in top right more important than center influence?
DragonWolf [5k\]: *isn't
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;B[dr]C[Nyanbot: heh
Cassis0 [3d\]: w d11? 
Nyanbot: im a loser now
carla [7k\]: weird
outstander [4k\]: d4?
GoteGote [1d\]: d2 lol? d4?
Nouli [-\]: missclick ? :p
Nyanbot: d1
GoteGote [1d\]: oh makes c5 sente
outstander [4k\]: why not d4 plz...
krakengo [1d\]: trying
MrShintou [-\]: maybe hes trying to settle w/ B6
GoteGote [1d\]: then b6
krakengo [1d\]: don't D4
revival [2d\]: b aiming at b6
Chievo [3k\]: these 2 are very aggressive
Cassis0 [3d\]: d4 c5 c3 ? 
outstander [4k\]: ah
krakengo [1d\]: even amateur are not tricked
Neospring [3k\]: d4 dont work
revival [2d\]: lol
GoteGote [1d\]: d4 c5 c3 b6
Chievo [3k\]: combined theyre almost lee sedol
jankenpopp: so mean..
Neospring [3k\]: d4 good for b
krakengo [1d\]: w C5 =p
fruitdrops [3k\]: c 5 maybe?
krakengo [1d\]: lol
GoteGote [1d\]: c5 here? makes miai b7 and f1?
DrZoom [8k\]: d4 B->c3 ?
Nouli [-\]: if C5 is sente just play it no ?
]
;W[ds]C[Nyanbot: i win
elder [10k?\]: d4 w c5 b c3 w gote...
outstander [4k\]: what use is b7 gote?
Nyanbot: f9
Nyanbot: ah wait
Neospring [3k\]: d1 better then c5
Rocker [4d\]: h18 like a man 
MrShintou [-\]: iagree w/ f9
DrZoom [8k\]: now d4 
krakengo [1d\]: stop with the 2nd line now 
Rocker [4d\]: pros dont play f9 ish moves
DrZoom [8k\]: k10 
Nyanbot: i dont know what to play
Nyanbot: i would f9 if blitz
Rocker [4d\]: hmm
Nouli [-\]: M16
Pedro6548 [11k\]: g9
Woodstock [-\]: very interesting, nyanbot
Fatality [7k\]: c5 
revival [2d\]: d9?
vesudeva [6k\]: w c5
agui [4k\]: d6
Pedro6548 [11k\]: what is better? g9 or f9?
Rocker [4d\]: they r supa stinge about mokus........ i dun think b will f9........
Nyanbot: yeah maybe
DrZoom [8k\]: b7?
sansanman: if c5 then b7 which makes black connect in gote
Nyanbot: im tired of watchin the game... and need eat something
Nyanbot: cu
DrZoom [8k\]: Anyone coffee?
DrZoom [8k\]: just brewed one
Fatality [7k\]: thx sansanman
sansanman: your welcome
sansanman: but im only 7k too
channel777 [1k\]: I need one cup too
fruitdrops [3k\]: send here some too
Tsuijin [1d\]: we need a ko
Tsuijin [1d\]: somewhere
DrZoom [8k\]: hehe
Ophelia [-\]: haha
Fatality [7k\]: r17 if it's whites turn
Ophelia [-\]: a move above the fifth line might be fun.
sutex [5k\]: hello
Fatality [7k\]: hello sutex
]
;B[ek]C[Rocker [4d\]: hmmmmmm
Toge [5k\]: d2 looks awful. Just reduces own liberties?
alright: where u live doc?,..:)
Rocker [4d\]: now  h18
Rocker [4d\]: camong!!!!!!!
revival [2d\]: is h18 biggest for w?
USGO1 [-\]: Kim has started playing with his fan more, opening and closing one end of it while waiting for Black's move.  As Black moved, he snapped it shut and set it down to study his move.
]
;W[dn]C[deft [4d\]: D6 is weird
mygoban [5k\]: Rocker [4d\]: pros dont play f9 ish moves
outstander [4k\]: f7
Tsuijin [1d\]: yah E9 not same as F9
krakengo [1d\]: i thought b had to.. H18
]
;B[ej]C[samoproba [6k\]: f9 would take them above the 5th line
Ophelia [-\]: I swear part of being a pro is expert fan expressions.
mahatma [1k\]: time?
Fatality [7k\]: please bet for the first move beyond 5th line
MrShintou [-\]: p9
fractic [2k\]: they'll never play there
GoteGote [1d\]: f6
fractic [2k\]: i'll just all be dame
GoteGote [1d\]: or g7
deft [4d\]: W has to answer or C11 will be super painful
krakengo [1d\]: this shows why no B12 earlier
GoteGote [1d\]: can black cut?
revival [2d\]: B11 seems misplaced now
GoteGote [1d\]: e6?
krakengo [1d\]: ok ?
fractic [2k\]: b12 is better then c11 i think
slinky [-\]: wow still going on
DrZoom [8k\]: what's about the time?
Ophelia [-\]: p11 area is my bet
krakengo [1d\]: w, B12 honte (mais serait honteux ?)
DragonWolf [5k\]: I said P11 :)
fractic [2k\]: i don't think white will tenuki
]
;W[bh]C[mahatma [1k\]: usgo, whats the time?
Ophelia [-\]: no, but I think that will be the first move above the fifth line :)
Fatality [7k\]: white cannot tenuki I think
krakengo [1d\]: hehehe
krakengo [1d\]: he accepted the honte (bad pun)
carla [7k\]: 19:08 GMT
DragonWolf [5k\]: P11 for black? or Q10?
USGO1 [-\]: Time Check - W: 36 minutes remaining, B: 31 minutes.
DragonWolf [5k\]: or is bottom left still not settled
revival [2d\]: this move strengthens the white group at the top
krakengo [1d\]: yes
MrShintou [-\]: 3hrs used already and only move 68.. this is slow even for pros.
krakengo [1d\]: the middlegame is gonna be tense
deft [4d\]: important game
]
;B[eh]C[Ophelia [-\]: we may see some fast fighting in the center.  get ready USGO.  ;)
Woodstock [-\]: this is middle game already
Tsuijin [1d\]: we need 9p recorder
krakengo [1d\]: i didn't say otherwise
revival [2d\]: E13
krakengo [1d\]: just getting tense
Ophelia [-\]: we have an awesome recorder.
USGO1 [-\]: I always try to be ready.  Caffeine helps greatly.
DragonWolf [5k\]: Pro-plus
HowToLose [5k\]: lol
DragonWolf [5k\]: :P
Fatality [7k\]: hehe
USGO1 [-\]: The endgames are always fun.
GoteGote [1d\]: h18 looks more and more urgent
Cz [-\]: usgo1 is clearly the real pro around here
Ho [5k\]: d11 
]
;W[di]C[krakengo [1d\]: very good !!
Rocker [4d\]: strong
ma1ky [2k\]: good shout
fractic [2k\]: h18 now?
DragonWolf [5k\]: yeah I think USGO makes these games up off the top of their head
DragonWolf [5k\]: :P
krakengo [1d\]: yes
krakengo [1d\]: experiment in credulity
AutoAtari [3k?\]: f13
fruitdrops [3k\]: w needs points to catch up butwhere can he get them?
krakengo [1d\]: play random stuff, people will see great play
Pedro6548 [11k\]: h7 maybe?
GoteGote [1d\]: first a move in h7 area
Fatality [7k\]: h18 
Nealo [10k\]: what is your ranking USGO1?
Fatality [7k\]: e13 also nice I think
USGO1 [-\]: Yin has the habit of straightening the stones on the board while thinking about the next move.
HowToLose [5k\]: lol
MrShintou [-\]: good just not me
]
;B[hb]C[HowToLose [5k\]: wouldn't that disrupt the other player, though?
Gresil [8k\]: "straightening"
krakengo [1d\]: bad haboit
Nealo [10k\]: USGO1 are you watching the tournament in person?
Cz [-\]: usgo1 thinks... "stop blocking the freaking board with your hand moron"
DragonWolf [5k\]: not that bad if he's 3p :P
antipanda [8k\]: is that allowed?
krakengo [1d\]: you can be 9p and still not know how to behave
]
;W[gj]C[Woodstock [-\]: sure, if it's on your thinking time
Tsuijin [1d\]: woah
Chievo [3k\]: I wonder how much yesterday's games have affected myungwang
Fatality [7k\]: !!!
Tsuijin [1d\]: some sort of pincer
ma1ky [2k\]: -.-
Chievo [3k\]: missclick 
Ophelia [-\]: I lose
carla [7k\]: Yin should straighten c4 to d4
USGO1 [-\]: This move played very forcefully on the board by Kim.
krakengo [1d\]: like singing random nursery rhyme aloud during a title game
HowToLose [5k\]: lol
antipanda [8k\]: I alwasys thought that you were allowed to think all the time
Fatality [7k\]: we're beyond fifth line
Nealo [10k\]: man this is an awesome commentator
antipanda [8k\]: not just when your clock is going
Nealo [10k\]: *Yin plays this move while adjusting his underpants
HowToLose [5k\]: antipanda: they hire psychics to make sure you think ONLY when it's your turn
revival [2d\]: no you arent allowed to think during your opponents turn
AutoAtari [3k?\]: you must shut down your brain
Sincere [3k\]: *waits for o4 cut*
Tsuijin [1d\]: black is the never ending running dragon
]
;B[gl]
;W[ei]C[USGO1 [-\]: It doesn't matter much, but my rating is 6k AGA.  Experience recording games is helpful as well.
Sincere [3k\]: i dont think e11 is worth it...
krakengo [1d\]: H18 will look slow soon
HowToLose [5k\]: cool
Rocker [4d\]: n17
krakengo [1d\]: so, must J17 now =p
EagleHelm [11k\]: do you have to be a member of the aga to volunteer?
krakengo [1d\]: N17, ok
Chievo [3k\]: lol nealo, yin isnt the same person as nadal
krakengo [1d\]: and die at bottom left
krakengo [1d\]: fair game
Sincere [3k\]: w will j8 next turn
Nealo [10k\]: true true USGO1 you're doing a fine job I should say
Nealo [10k\]: and though I'm a 10k
Rocker [4d\]: j8 is a safe move
Nealo [10k\]: my experience complimenting commentators is all I need
USGO1 [-\]: Generally, people attending the congress are AGA members, but you don't have to be.  You just have to be willing to work a lot.
Sincere [3k\]: j8 is sente also
Nealo [10k\]: I almost volunteered
Fatality [7k\]: what does j8 do?
Nealo [10k\]: I am in Portland
Nealo [10k\]: but ultimately didn't go
Chievo [3k\]: having said that, myungwang is far better than nadal will ever be
Cz [-\]: at tennis?
EagleHelm [11k\]: I've volunteered at comicon I know working conventions is hard
Sincere [3k\]: o_O...
outstander [4k\]: hmm... prob not at tennis
WWSD [1k\]: why are you talking about the tennis player
indianayk [5d\]: h18 was huge. Didn't w have a chance to play there in sente?
seishiro [15k\]: yes
MrShintou [-\]: indianayk so was B14 =d and black shoudl have played there in sene.
krakengo [1d\]: tennis is a bit boring compared to go, imo
lob: has myungwan even won a won tournament
Nealo [10k\]: haha
WWSD [1k\]: ...
fractic [2k\]: h18 wouldn't be sente for white
]
;B[ic]C[krakengo [1d\]: w H18 would be submissive whatsover
lob: *major tournament
outstander [4k\]: ouch
seishiro [15k\]: but it would be a good move
krakengo [1d\]: aaaah my call again
revival [2d\]: i like this move
krakengo [1d\]: fair game now
fractic [2k\]: fighting spirit
krakengo [1d\]: kill
USGO1 [-\]: Nealo, there is still time to come by.  Tournament games go on into Saturday.
MrShintou [-\]: white cannot win this game any longer.
seishiro [15k\]: where
Cz [-\]: now white just wants to destroy black and laugh at him
Pedro6548 [11k\]: what's sente?
slinky [-\]: intence o.o
fractic [2k\]: senseis.xmp.net/?sente
krakengo [1d\]: you are too easily afraid by opponent territory
]
;W[rp]C[seishiro [15k\]: you dont know sente?
Pedro6548 [11k\]: humm
Pedro6548 [11k\]: thank
Sincere [3k\]: o-O...
Fatality [7k\]: can white sacrifice the top?
Pedro6548 [11k\]: i knoew intence
WWSD [1k\]: O6
Cz [-\]: ok maybe not. maybe he just wants to confuse all the spectators
seishiro [15k\]: i doubt that
Sincere [3k\]: w can sacrifice h17...
Pedro6548 [11k\]: ;D
USGO1 [-\]: Yin has left the board again.
Cz [-\]: yeah.. i would too
fractic [2k\]: w can't really sacrifice l17 though
Chievo [3k\]: I was talking about tennis, because nealo made a remark about adjusting underwear
MrShintou [-\]: but its yin's turn.
seishiro [15k\]: he decreas yin and increased yang
Cz [-\]: "what is this junk... ugh"
krakengo [1d\]: this is sente now
Sincere [3k\]: nope..
krakengo [1d\]: yes
Nealo [10k\]: haha
WWSD [1k\]: ooh nadal does always have a wedgie
indianayk [5d\]: w is looking to cut at o4 after attacking the big dragon
Nealo [10k\]: oh I didn't catch that
Nealo [10k\]: is tennis on right now?
USGO1 [-\]: Yin has returned with a fresh cup of water.
Nealo [10k\]: I saw the last 2 days of US Open last year
WWSD [1k\]: are ypou sure its a fresh cup?
Nealo [10k\]: it was great
Nealo [10k\]: haha
Rocker [4d\]: B MUST N2
elfking [6k\]: hah
DragonWolf [5k\]: USGO: Just don't do commentary when he goes to the bathroom
krakengo [1d\]: threatening a splitting attack
liberaji [2k\]: so these are the only undefeated players?
seishiro [15k\]: i think so
Sincere [3k\]: s3 is better
WWSD [1k\]: rocker why not o6
Sincere [3k\]: n2 = one eye still
Chievo [3k\]: he cant dragonwolf
Gaxx [3k\]: USGO1, where are you getting your info from? Are you watching this on TV or something?
krakengo [1d\]: you don't want to have 2 problems
DragonWolf [5k\]: N2 ends in gote.. is there not ab better move?
seishiro [15k\]: no nee d for fake eye
Chievo [3k\]: this is server which will get you booted
Pedro6548 [11k\]: p4?
Neospring [3k\]: his there gaxx..
MrShintou [-\]: r1 
krakengo [1d\]: w has too much influence for b to afford
Gaxx [3k\]: oh, in person?
Rocker [4d\]: O6 IS VERY BAD , O5 IS MUCH BETTER
Neospring [3k\]: yes
USGO1 [-\]: Since many of the other games in the Open are finishing up, there are more players wandering the room observing these games.
MrShintou [-\]: i like R1.
]
;B[mr]
;W[lr]
;B[ns]C[fractic [2k\]: R1?
Sincere [3k\]: well either way w is going to cut
Rocker [4d\]: MUHAHAHA
Sincere [3k\]: or not
DragonWolf [5k\]: :P
Snaga [1d\]: cut?
Neospring [3k\]: r1 = died
DragonWolf [5k\]: will white cut nw?
Sincere [3k\]: h8 first?
USGO1 [-\]: I am sitting at the same table as the players, with the board just to my right.
WWSD [1k\]: still rocker why not run out to middle?
Rocker [4d\]: I SAID N2 IS A MUST , NOTHING ELSE
krakengo [1d\]: that's done, ok now
krakengo [1d\]: stop shouting
liberaji [2k\]: some1 ban rocker
Tower [3d\]: looks like black has the point lead
Zephon [2k\]: lol
seishiro [15k\]: s3 is better
slinky [-\]: *pets USGO
krakengo [1d\]: N2 was correct
Tsuijin [1d\]: i wanna see j9
Neospring [3k\]: *kicks slinky down the stais
Cz [-\]: yeah, rocker is too loud
Neospring [3k\]: stairs*
melmac: w far behind in secure territory
mosk2: I don't think W will cut.
Sincere [3k\]: rocker is fine
DragonWolf [5k\]: man I wish I could count like dans... I can't even get close to working out who's ahead
seishiro [15k\]: white should play s3
Sincere [3k\]: as long as we're discussing the game :D
krakengo [1d\]: b far behind in attacking potential
edowaado [17k\]: what do P means?
mosk2: w is preparing for the middle
Ophelia [-\]: 1,2,3...
Sincere [3k\]: ...
Pedro6548 [11k\]: h8?
Cz [-\]: but it hurts my eyes
Tower [3d\]: aim at O4 maybe, P4 screws it up a bit but maybe some points in there
Woodstock [-\]: professional dan ranks
melmac: bet b win this
liberaji [2k\]: W could furst attack left and then cut at O4
krakengo [1d\]: balance of territory is one thing, but balance of power exists too
mosk2: w groups are solid
krakengo [1d\]: but many do like it doesn't exists
Sincere [3k\]: h8
Sincere [3k\]: or something
Rocker [4d\]: N17
seishiro [15k\]: white may try to catch up instead of blackk leading to white
Sincere [3k\]: n17 seems too slow
Chievo [3k\]: who says w behind
krakengo [1d\]: you're not going to N17 anytime soon, after you ignored H18 for G10
liberaji [2k\]: B leads in terirtory
WWSD [1k\]: N17 is big
Sincere [3k\]: its big
Sincere [3k\]: not urgent
krakengo [1d\]: N17 is off focus
krakengo [1d\]: yes
Sincere [3k\]: j8 area is urgent and big
seishiro [15k\]: white can take the middle instead
Chievo [3k\]: N17 is actually quite urgent
fractic [2k\]: white kinda needs the middle
Woodstock [-\]: there won't be many points in the centre
Sincere [3k\]: hah
fractic [2k\]: where else is he going to make territory
Kael [2d\]: I think P11 area is bigger?  B can expand so much there
seishiro [15k\]: its kind of risky thought
Sincere [3k\]: well
krakengo [1d\]: if w N17, i'll resign from go for 6 months
Rocker [4d\]: N17 is big
Sincere [3k\]: h8-j8 area is sente
Sincere [3k\]: because black needs to live
racine [2d\]: w needs to kill b
Cz [-\]: now i hope he plays n17
Sincere [3k\]: white was probably just buyin time to think of how to kill 
Fatality [7k\]: n17 
Chievo [3k\]: I think the 4 bot games yesterday have made kim tired
ADG [6k\]: What could white possibly achieve with H8 ?
Sincere [3k\]: how many did he win?
Chievo [3k\]: and thats why he isnt doing as well as he can
Chievo [3k\]: 2
Sincere [3k\]: seal in sente,,>
Cz [-\]: please usgo1, play n17 until krakengo is not paying attention
seishiro [15k\]: double sente
Zephon [2k\]: or perhaps he still thinks he is playing mogotitan
racine [2d\]: lol
outstander [4k\]: where are w's points, that's what i want to know
HowToLose [5k\]: right, lower left, and mid left
slinky [-\]: go black!
krakengo [1d\]: w has a big corner from M3 to B14 up to K10
slinky [-\]: we alll want black to win!
Sincere [3k\]: w has a 1 corner...
indianayk [5d\]: w must attack and gain before N17. N17 now will be b's game
Sincere [3k\]: and side
cliftut [14k?\]: I like j8. Is it better than h8, or just different?
Sincere [3k\]: b has 1 huge corner
Sincere [3k\]: :D
ADG [6k\]: h8 may be sente, but, white doesn't seal anything , there won't be many points in the center (IMHO)
Sincere [3k\]: or, i guess 2 huge corners
H2He [7k\]: come on 8p dont need points to win:)
fractic [2k\]: the top left isn't that big
Rocker [4d\]: w might r17 before n17?
Sincere [3k\]: better than ketting black just jump in easy
hihf [1k\]: i think white is better
outstander [4k\]: lol rocker
krakengo [1d\]: H8 helps b more than J8
Sincere [3k\]: yeah, j8 seems better
Sincere [3k\]: does b even have one eye in there?
racine [2d\]: J8 too soft?
Sincere [3k\]: well
krakengo [1d\]: boshi is seldom soft
Pedro6548 [11k\]: o5 maybe?
Sincere [3k\]: j8 h9 j10
Rocker [4d\]: h8 if w attacks!
Sincere [3k\]: w becomes huge
sapphire [3k\]: being 3k I'd try to do some prep to rip off the UR corner
]
;W[pg]C[Chievo [3k\]: where is this boshi what you speak of?
cliftut [14k?\]: j8 is certainly where black would want to go... if black was me.
Cz [-\]: that is a misclick
krakengo [1d\]: contact tends to help opponent, of course there are exceptions, but i refuse to read with a hangover
Sincere [3k\]: no
Chievo [3k\]: lol cz
Cz [-\]: please put at the correct spot
Cz [-\]: n17
]
;B[qg]C[Chievo [3k\]: that move is typical pro move
krakengo [1d\]: J8 is a boshi
liberaji [2k\]: this is standard
outstander [4k\]: q11
fractic [2k\]: can white end in sente in the top right?
Sincere [3k\]: the problem is
Sincere [3k\]: q11 isnt sente
racine [2d\]: that prepares the attack of E7 group
Rocker [4d\]: q11
krakengo [1d\]: Q13 is a leaning attack / support for L17
ADG [6k\]: Come on, wasn't white expecting that ?
outstander [4k\]: omg.... b's top right is massive
Pedro6548 [11k\]: q12
racine [2d\]: in 79 moves b dies because of Q13
Chievo [3k\]: woah
lemmming [7k\]: how is q11 not sente?
Sincere [3k\]: how is it sente..?
Chievo [3k\]: b's fast response says something
Sincere [3k\]: -_-...
Chievo [3k\]: b is confident of his response
WWSD [1k\]: it means he needs to get more water
Sincere [3k\]: lol
cliftut [14k?\]: q13 creates good influence for white.
krakengo [1d\]: yes: "i don't want to think, that's your job"
Neospring [3k\]: diaria
lemmming [7k\]: looks like it needs an answer to me.. dunno
krakengo [1d\]: ;-)
racine [2d\]: Chievo : only one possible response...
Sincere [3k\]: w should j8 first
]
;W[ke]C[Cz [-\]: probably they spiked the water
Chievo [3k\]: thats why I said it
krakengo [1d\]: ooooh
Sincere [3k\]: O-O....
krakengo [1d\]: phew
racine [2d\]: w going for a moyo
Cz [-\]: you are a lucky guy krakengo :(
Sincere [3k\]: hes going for 2 moyos
Sincere [3k\]: :D
Pedro6548 [11k\]: p11
lemmming [7k\]: moyonic
outstander [4k\]: wont work
ADG [6k\]: nope, 3rd and 5th line are lines of territory, not influence..
cliftut [14k?\]: bi-moyo!
racine [2d\]: ADG : L15 is not territory
racine [2d\]: lol
krakengo [1d\]: i don't see a moyo
Sincere [3k\]: i guess no one expected l15..?
slinky [-\]: USGO how much time is left o.O
Chievo [3k\]: let me put it like this
flatchest [1k\]: i did
indianayk [5d\]: guess  w didn't see a clear kill
Sincere [3k\]: well
racine [2d\]: krakengo : Q11 sente, an implicit wall around H8
ADG [6k\]: frankly n17 seemed a little too overconcentrated to me
Sincere [3k\]: if b j8 now
racine [2d\]: and the moyo appears :p
Sincere [3k\]: wouldnt it be over?
krakengo [1d\]: N17 M16 surely
]
;B[ie]C[outstander [4k\]: what moyo ffs
outstander [4k\]: lol
Sincere [3k\]: after this exchange of course
Rocker [4d\]: l13
Chievo [3k\]: ghahaha
Chievo [3k\]: dont say ffs on KGS outstander
Sincere [3k\]: O_O
Sincere [3k\]: brb
outstander [4k\]: sorry
Pedro6548 [11k\]: h14?
outstander [4k\]: but you said it too!
outstander [4k\]: ban
Chievo [3k\]: but I said it to correct him
Cz [-\]: double ban
cliftut [14k?\]: j10?! >w<
AutoAtari [3k?\]: for flower's smell
outstander [4k\]: don't talk about people in third person while they're present... manners on KGS plz, chievo
liberaji [2k\]: is outstandre Ms. Manners?
Neospring [3k\]: ffs shtup both of u
Chievo [3k\]: stop it neosping
proutoz0re: i don't see how white can win this game now, he looks too much behind
outstander [4k\]: agreed prout
Rocker [4d\]: L13!!!!!!!!!!
fruitdrops [3k\]: Q13 will be the winning stone
WWSD [1k\]: white has to rock the dragon
Chievo [3k\]: no rocker
]
;W[bm]C[flatchest [1k\]: patrickb ;(
Ophelia [-\]: ty
Chievo [3k\]: about time
outstander [4k\]: aiming for the cut
indianayk [5d\]: here it comes
outstander [4k\]: won't work though... b's not stupid
AutoAtari [3k?\]: aiming for the kill
Sincere [3k\]: all or nothing
ADG [6k\]: Yeah pro's always use the strangest way to attack
outstander [4k\]: if it was gonna work, he would have played it ages ago
krakengo [1d\]: this moyo has 4 doors, hard to close all
outstander [4k\]: that just means its not a moyo krak
Pedro6548 [11k\]: great battle now :D
Neospring [3k\]: pro's dont moyo
liberaji [2k\]: yeah what's White's plan?
krakengo [1d\]: have b run and fix L15 in the process
Chievo [3k\]: not the strangest, the one that works
WWSD [1k\]: h7
Sincere [3k\]: the problem is
Sincere [3k\]: w has no points
Sincere [3k\]: and cant get enough unless he kills
flatchest [1k\]: kill wat?
flatchest [1k\]: lol
krakengo [1d\]: points will come, B7 a start
Chievo [3k\]: well he is working on it
sutex [5k\]: some b stones:-P
krakengo [1d\]: you don't need to gain 30 points at a time
Chievo [3k\]: B7 is lee sedol like aggressive
indianayk [5d\]: USGO01, time?
USGO1 [-\]: Time Check - W: 20 minutes remaining, B: 15 minutes.
Rocker [4d\]: K8 FUR SHOW
Chievo [3k\]: really animal attack
indianayk [5d\]: thx
Rocker [4d\]: J8 *
DragonWolf [5k\]: Rocker, shouldn't he save those 3 stones?
Chievo [3k\]: mooo
liberaji [2k\]: yesterday Feng Yun's game was great
Sincere [3k\]: black has at least 50 points on the board
Sincere [3k\]: i doubt white has even 40
flatchest [1k\]: did feng yun win?
Chievo [3k\]: b has no eyes for now
Rocker [4d\]: dragon its safe
fractic [2k\]: i don't think black has 50 
Fatality [7k\]: r17 is still playable so black has not that much
Cloudwall [-\]: yes, she did
liberaji [2k\]: 50 is a bit optimistic imho
flatchest [1k\]: ^^
Sincere [3k\]: hm
Chievo [3k\]: where did his eyes go
WiseGuy [2d?\]: I get 43
DragonWolf [5k\]: ah yeah
Chievo [3k\]: with only 1 move it disappeared
MXHero [-\]: i don't think r17 gets much aji anymore
krakengo [1d\]: "so many stones, it can't die"
Sincere [3k\]: well maybe 40, i guess h17 area is still questionable
krakengo [1d\]: what a cheap reasoning
nickwasy [11k\]: much more than 40 AGA rules, of course
Sincere [3k\]: and b has m16 peak
Rocker [4d\]: J8!!
LEIBNIZ [4k\]: B7 wakes up dragon
Sincere [3k\]: peek*
AutoAtari [3k?\]: h6
WiseGuy [2d?\]: It doesn't matter what rules you use to count, what matters is the difference in points. And rather than counting stones on the board, I count territory.
DragonWolf [5k\]: h6 feels slow
DragonWolf [5k\]: and builds up whites infleunce
]
;B[fj]C[Chievo [3k\]: OHH
Chievo [3k\]: nice shape
krakengo [1d\]: aaaaaaaargh
indianayk [5d\]: i 'm sure the whole dragon will not die, but which tail it must offer for w
flatchest [1k\]: empty triangle XDDDDDDDDDDDD
MXHero [-\]: b has more captures than w, so b is winning
fujichan [2k\]: OMG
ADG [6k\]: yeah, who saw that one comin' ?
HowToLose [5k\]: MXHero: Komi, W is winning
kvartaali [4k\]: I must say lower left + b14 and s4 really make out whites style
flatchest [1k\]: doesnt b know that emptry triangle is bad shape
Sanyel [-\]: OMFG
AutoAtari [3k?\]: pro move :)
krakengo [1d\]: i could not think of it
Fatality [7k\]: black needs to learn about good shape :P
Ophelia [-\]: beautiful shape
]
;W[fi]C[WWSD [1k\]: f9 to get rid of the ugly shape!
Sincere [3k\]: wow
krakengo [1d\]: the nausea is too strong about such moves
DragonWolf [5k\]: G9?
HowToLose [5k\]: lol empty triangle > dango
DragonWolf [5k\]: or connect
Sincere [3k\]: im not even sure if w has 30 points
Rocker [4d\]: VERY GOOD eye shape
Sincere [3k\]: >_>
WWSD [1k\]: full square is better than empty triangle
Chievo [3k\]: this is not empty
fsong2 [1d\]: go yin kuo
Pedro6548 [11k\]: g9
Chievo [3k\]: this is full triangle
Rocker [4d\]: g99999
Chievo [3k\]: filled
krakengo [1d\]: from the start b is refusing to make shape
]
;B[hj]C[fractic [2k\]: it's not a full triangle
Rocker [4d\]: !!!!!!!
fsong2 [1d\]: omg
Pedro6548 [11k\]: good
WiseGuy [2d?\]: You fail again.
fractic [2k\]: nice
AutoAtari [3k?\]: shape is for amateurs :p
indianayk [5d\]: b needs to have space to live. the shape should not be matter at this point
Sincere [3k\]: b is too pro
MrShintou [-\]: no b is three pro
Singer [10k\]: Can you be too pro?
Sincere [3k\]: hm
krakengo [1d\]: shape always matter
Sincere [3k\]: not sure
PowRanger [9k?\]: lol
MXHero [-\]: if b gets g9 he has good shape
WWSD [1k\]: is G9 not good enough for black?
Pedro6548 [11k\]: h9
krakengo [1d\]: forced into bad shape ? bad pos
fsong2 [1d\]: i know yin kuo
Woodstock [-\]: G9 is pushing from behind
andrushek [10k\]: EVEN GAME??
Sincere [3k\]: if b gets g9
Rocker [4d\]: d9
Sincere [3k\]: game is over
krakengo [1d\]: except in small endgame
trambeto [?\]: should this be an olympic sport?
HowToLose [5k\]: it is
HowToLose [5k\]: they just don't know it
]
;W[gk]C[flatchest [1k\]: lol
andrushek [10k\]: ANY HANDYCAP?
]
;B[hk]C[flatchest [1k\]: 5
AutoAtari [3k?\]: kibitz is
flatchest [1k\]: 8d give 5 handi to 3d
Fatality [7k\]: professional kibitz should be olympic
HowToLose [5k\]: for a game that was supposedly one of the greatest things a chinese could learn, I'm surprised they're not including it
fractic [2k\]: i'll take any kind of payed kibitzing 
Neospring [3k\]: even game
Sincere [3k\]: heh
]
;W[hi]C[fujichan [2k\]: ....
MXHero [-\]: power square!
Sincere [3k\]: lol
fujichan [2k\]: it's a tournament, internationnal
krakengo [1d\]: do it
Rocker [4d\]: H8!!!!!!
fujichan [2k\]: no handicap ....
Sincere [3k\]: only move -_-
fujichan [2k\]: pffffff
Bierce [1d\]: how is their times?
Chievo [3k\]: w has also  good moves lately
proutoz0re: g12
ma1ky [2k\]: andyrushek look where the handicap stones would be if there were any..
Chievo [3k\]: surely this battle is fierce
MXHero [-\]: fill the empty triangle, b!
liberaji [2k\]: J7?
Iliusha [3d\]: betwen 8p and 3p is'nt even 2 handi stones
flatchest [1k\]: dango dango dango!!!!!!
sutex [5k\]: dangooooo
flatchest [1k\]: do it 
krakengo [1d\]: remember the power square in the corner last night ?
sutex [5k\]: Who's that hero? Shusaku? Sai? No! It's the Dango-Man!!
Chievo [3k\]: 8p and 3p is almost the same, only difference 8p usually gets further in tournaments
holynec [2k?\]: dangomouse?!
PowRanger [9k?\]: p11
Sincere [3k\]: ...
MXHero [-\]: ironically, that's the only difference that matters :)
Rocker [4d\]: H8!!!!!!!
indianayk [5d\]: generally, no 9p can give 2H to 1p 
MrShintou [-\]: indian...
Sincere [3k\]: i heard in japan you can :D
MrShintou [-\]: there are 9p and there are 9p.
MrShintou [-\]: this is dreadfully complex.
Sincere [3k\]: basically
terrorist [5k\]: but even people like cho U lose to 7P and stuff
DrZoom [8k\]: how much time have they left?
Sincere [3k\]: if you arent 1 dan by the age of 10
Cloudwall [-\]: actually there's an event at the Nihon Kiin every year where the 9p's will give handicap stones to the new pros and see how far they can go, starting with two and then going up if they win
Sincere [3k\]: ur never becoming pro
pasky [1k\]: terrorist: if the result is determined by te rank difference, why even bother playing?
krakengo [1d\]: i don't care
PowRanger [9k?\]: a 2p korean recently won second at samsung cup :x
flatchest [1k\]: lol
Sincere [3k\]: whats the farthest cloud?
zxcsdf: whay dont you just be quiet and focus on the game? -_-
flatchest [1k\]: new korean pros too strong
krakengo [1d\]: i don't wanna be a pro of anything
Sincere [3k\]: well
Sincere [3k\]: that just means the 2p will become a 3p soon
]
;B[hl]C[Sincere [3k\]: :D
Cloudwall [-\]: well, about 3 years ago, a 1p went all the way to 4 stones, it was a huge embarassment and it made the papers here
MrShintou [-\]: my guess
krakengo [1d\]: the troll got one more
Rocker [4d\]: 8P and 3P difference is who becam pro how mych earlier , OK??
Chievo [3k\]: lol cloudwall
liberaji [2k\]: what's the promotion system in Korea?
Sincere [3k\]: LOL
sapphire [3k\]: cloud interesting story
Sincere [3k\]: thats funny
krakengo [1d\]: we don't care
Sincere [3k\]: wait, did he lose at 4 stones?
outstander [4k\]: l17 looks so wrong..
Sincere [3k\]: or just got up to 4 stones
krakengo [1d\]: we don't care about the pro world, just the game
terrorist [5k\]: Im just comenting on how pros are close, gosh
Cloudwall [-\]: good, krakengo.  it's called censor.  use it.
fractic [2k\]: losing at 3 strones is awefull allready
flatchest [1k\]: yes plz
DrZoom [8k\]: Does anyone know much time they have left?
Nyanbot: i see, e9 was the shape
indianayk [5d\]: 2H was the announced handicap in old days. but today, after all those training to be a pro, 2H not likely
Iliusha [3d\]: o18 ?
]
;W[en]C[ADG [6k\]: yeah, apparently no one here understand what both player are after...
Chievo [3k\]: to get to pro you already have to have insane strength
Chievo [3k\]: so one of those weak fish getting through is spectactular
Sincere [3k\]: heh
YouWish [1k\]: wow
YouWish [1k\]: that game is so..
YouWish [1k\]: sloww
Sincere [3k\]: w wants that nice chunk on the left
YouWish [1k\]: about 4 hours
liberaji [2k\]: not mush time left...
Chievo [3k\]: I hope soon into byo yomi
Chievo [3k\]: it should be exciting
]
;B[fn]C[fractic [2k\]: they shouldn't have more then 8 minutes left
Fatality [7k\]: about 10 min for both players left
liberaji [2k\]: so USGO is sitting there with a laptop and recodrding mvoves?
]
;W[dm]C[MrShintou [-\]: yeah
]
;B[dl]
;W[fm]
;B[el]C[Fatality [7k\]: ko!
DragonWolf [5k\]: is D8 not worth it for white? (before D7?
cliftut [14k?\]: Nice cut
Fatality [7k\]: -.-
]
;W[ho]
;B[go]
;W[hn]C[Fatality [7k\]: nice shapes -.-*
ma1ky [2k\]: who said empty triangles were weak?
Tsuijin [1d\]: run dragon run!
Tsuijin [1d\]: white has big sword
terrorist [5k\]: Probability of G&&... 100%
liberaji [2k\]: the battle of empty triangels
krakengo [1d\]: poor, poor b
andrushek [10k\]: is black getting toasted?
Fatality [7k\]: g7 
Kael [2d\]: g6 or g7 is an interesting question
USGO1 [-\]: Time Check - W: 16 minutes remaining, B: 5 minutes.
DragonWolf [5k\]: does black still have no eyes?
oibbi [1d\]: g6 grants black an eye
]
;B[gn]C[Tsuijin [1d\]: black has a half eye
Tsuijin [1d\]: err one eye
outstander [4k\]: what's the byo yomi?
Tsuijin [1d\]: =)
Lynx [2d\]: tight game
ADG [6k\]: hey, black is far ahead in points right ? will he mind the kill ?
cliftut [14k?\]: g6 for bamboo joint, I think...
liberaji [2k\]: 30 sec
Chievo [3k\]: woh
Fatality [7k\]: are you joking ADG?
krakengo [1d\]: i would die rather than play this
krakengo [1d\]: hate b style
Chievo [3k\]: w is so aggressive
Chievo [3k\]: incredible
GoFan23: black has one eye
WiseGuy [2d?\]: He'd mind a 70 point kill, yes.
Tsuijin [1d\]: k9 would be cool
Kael [2d\]: what part of b style is bad krakengo?
GoFan23: if black can live, he will have a large point advantage
ADG [6k\]: i was more thinking about the four stone in h3
ADG [6k\]: but he decided to save them anyway
krakengo [1d\]: i don't say it's bad, just i don't like it
Rocker [4d\]: it just means u r too weak to play this kind of game in reality , krake!
]
;W[jk]C[ADG [6k\]: so now there is a lot at stake
Evaugh [4k\]: if black can live im sure W has made quite some profit from it anyway
liberaji [2k\]: wooo
DragonWolf [5k\]: wow
liberaji [2k\]: spartaaaaa
LEIBNIZ [4k\]: :), i like K9 too
outstander [4k\]: lol
krakengo [1d\]: i mean b allowed this to happen, for the sake of H18 J17
DragonWolf [5k\]: I was thinking K10.. this looks so aggresive
twintom [6k\]: this is humiliating for b
DragonWolf [5k\]: is this treatehning O4?
fractic [2k\]: it looks good
patrickb [-\]: QUoting Rounders: "Very Aggressive"
fractic [2k\]: O4 and Q11 both good for white
Rocker [4d\]: TENGEN
mosk2: I think w would let b escape up and then o4 would be big
outstander [4k\]: j10
fractic [2k\]: of course black will escape
fractic [2k\]: dragons don't die
Fatality [7k\]: do you think white has a chance to kill?
Pedro6548 [11k\]: the batle will develop to all the goban left side :D
DragonWolf [5k\]: I die alot :(
krakengo [1d\]: myth, dragons do die
krakengo [1d\]: pros too
okiol [5k\]: unless you attack their eyes, read harry potter
trambeto [?\]: white can do it
]
;B[ij]C[AutoAtari [3k?\]: w has a dragon slayer
trambeto [?\]: its his only chance
flatchest [1k\]: BIG DRAGON NEVER DIE!!!!!
krakengo [1d\]: eh again,
Kael [2d\]: more triangles! :) 
okiol [5k\]: their eyes is their weakness
outstander [4k\]: called that
Fatality [7k\]: pros don't die, they just trade
fractic [2k\]: white doesn't need to kill
krakengo [1d\]: your triangle !! you love it, don't you !
fractic [2k\]: as long as his center gets big enough
fractic [2k\]: and no pro would trade a dragon that big
Woodstock [-\]: come on, he had one eye already...and in this space...sure he'll live
Chievo [3k\]: death is upon b
krakengo [1d\]: oh but yes, kill
trambeto [?\]: o4 is a good trade
krakengo [1d\]: why hold back
outstander [4k\]: o4 not enough imho
Deich [5k\]: its ot about living, its about how to attack^
Chievo [3k\]: those who say big dragons dont die, have listened to too many chinese myths
LEIBNIZ [4k\]: L12
krakengo [1d\]: w is behind in cash, and hard to stand the sight of this group
outstander [4k\]: besides, l17 still needs to live somehow
DragonWolf [5k\]: K10?
Rocker [4d\]: YES BIG DRAGO NEVER DIES IT ONLY HURTS
Pedro6548 [11k\]: f4 two eye
USGO1 [-\]: Myungwan Kim was just opening and closig his fan under the table
Chievo [3k\]: ahhah
Pedro6548 [11k\]: f4 and f3
Chievo [3k\]: hahahaha
fractic [2k\]: f4 doesn't make an eye
MrShintou [-\]: but patrick his capslock button is broken :(
Chievo [3k\]: pros who are into fashion
okiol [5k\]: i think rocker is most important and the caps makes me find his comments easier, it's nice
flatchest [1k\]: yea
flatchest [1k\]: rocker strong
Chievo [3k\]: yes rocker is a hero
LEIBNIZ [4k\]: I dig the Rocker too
outstander [4k\]: indeed
MrShintou [4d\]: so many empty triangles.
Chievo [3k\]: but the fan thing is really cool, now I have become fan of kiom
Fatality [7k\]: you find then by looking for "Rocker [4d\]: " ^^
outstander [4k\]: he's the only dan that talks more than kyus
andrushek [10k\]: The go Kiblitzing Hero!
Lynx [2d\]: k12!
USGO1 [-\]: Time Check - W: 12 minutes, B: 2 minutes
Rocker [4d\]: eh why i only get the bold letters , while flatchest gets none!? sory flt , just wondering
Chievo [3k\]: of kim*
krakengo [1d\]: K12
Lynx [2d\]: flatchest is cooler
zxcsdf: how much is byo?
fractic [2k\]: L11
Chievo [3k\]: fan of kim because of his fan*
Chievo [3k\]: hard to say
krakengo [1d\]: maybe
outstander [4k\]: w should go for +time!
Deich [5k\]: stop crying rocker pls and be a bit more punk
krakengo [1d\]: use your time well w
USGO1 [-\]: The byo-yomi is 5 periods of 30 seconds
krakengo [1d\]: please please
fractic [2k\]: how much time is left USGO?
Rocker [4d\]: i mm being discriminated!?
sutex [5k\]: read above
Deich [5k\]: he just said#
sansanman: w 11 b2
MrShintou [4d\]: b=46, w = 29?
MrShintou [4d\]: not ccounting komi
]
;W[if]C[krakengo [1d\]: aaaar !
cliftut [14k?\]: He shut the door!
krakengo [1d\]: big cage !
Paddlefoot [1d\]: w needs to profit from b's weak group
outstander [4k\]: ignore?
krakengo [1d\]: b is beneath the sector line now
liberaji [2k\]: good timing for W
krakengo [1d\]: must act
outstander [4k\]: if b responds, w k12 ==> my instinct
krakengo [1d\]: epic move
LEIBNIZ [4k\]: oou, great move!
krakengo [1d\]: fills me with joy
flatchest [1k\]: are these the crazy ing rules??
liberaji [2k\]: why K12 he already blocked from that side
MrShintou [4d\]: now their opponent the Ing clock.
Vash3G [-\]: This is using a AGA ruleset
fractic [2k\]: L11 would make more sense
Deich [5k\]: kgs rules
fractic [2k\]: but black will probably ignore J14
]
;B[ii]C[Chievo [3k\]: usgo which color and brand is the fan, kim is holding?
liberaji [2k\]: L11
USGO1 [-\]: It is a brown wooden one, quite thick with a nice painting on it.  Of course, I have no idea on where he got it from.
Woodstock [-\]: don't geed, usgo
Rocker [4d\]: i feel w is up by 1.5 now
Woodstock [-\]: feed*
sansanman: well why dont u ask him
sansanman: jk =)
Fokatukc [7k\]: i predict w + 0.5
liberaji [2k\]: W+R
MrShintou [4d\]: i predict b+res
Chievo [3k\]: hm..
outstander [4k\]: agreed shin
flatchest [1k\]: fan expensive?
Drachan [19k?\]: my bet goes on black.
Chievo [3k\]: must be with all the money he makes, he has to set an example for us ^^
sansanman: i gonna go with black
flatchest [1k\]: :O
liberaji [2k\]: how old is W?
flatchest [1k\]: pros must be rich
proutoz0re: 30
Rocker [4d\]: 50
liberaji [2k\]: onyl 30 and 8d?
DragonWolf [5k\]: Kuo is 27?
DragonWolf [5k\]: 25
flatchest [1k\]: i think b is 26
flatchest [1k\]: 25
DragonWolf [5k\]: I'm 26 and I was born 82
DragonWolf [5k\]: he was born 83
Olmerek [12k?\]: Lee Sedol got his 9d having 25 as I recall
Rocker [4d\]: l11
Olmerek [12k?\]: Just checked - he was 20
Rocker [4d\]: L11
]
;W[he]C[liberaji [2k\]: eating up B's points
]
;B[je]
;W[jf]C[LEIBNIZ [4k\]: that was fast
Chievo [3k\]: no this is also points for w in the making
flatchest [1k\]: i think w is strong ^^
]
;B[ki]C[sansanman: no duh
Fatality [7k\]: lol
Chievo [3k\]: not only reducing
Rocker [4d\]: l13!!!!!
USGO1 [-\]: Time Check - W: 5 minutes, B: under 1 minute left.
flatchest [1k\]: :O
flatchest [1k\]: how long byo-yomi?
Chievo [3k\]: L11 is probably one of the most difficult moves for w he could handle at this time
Toge [5k\]: 5x30
liberaji [2k\]: G16
MrShintou [4d\]: 30x5
flatchest [1k\]: omg its fast
Ophelia [-\]: I wonder if they will take a lunch break?
appelsap [9k\]: is this live?
flatchest [1k\]: yes
proutoz0re: not yet
Rocker [4d\]: L13!!!
liberaji [2k\]: are they allowed foods at the board?
Chievo [3k\]: yes
Chievo [3k\]: thats why continue walking away to not get hungry
LEIBNIZ [4k\]: P11
USGO1 [-\]: Your recorder wonders about lunch as well, but this game is too much fun to leave.
Olmerek [12k?\]: :)
Ophelia [-\]: ^_^ 
liberaji [2k\]: oh they can break for lunch?
Chievo [3k\]: you can do anything in your time
]
;W[hd]C[Chievo [3k\]: but time continues
pebarefoot [12k\]: hang in there usgo1
sansanman: are the us open games taking place in the united states
Rocker [4d\]: REcorder wants his chow no matter what
]
;B[jc]C[Paddlefoot [1d\]: ????
fractic [2k\]: that didn't really help white
Woodstock [-\]: they can agree to postpone the game for lunch, halting their clocks
Articuno [-\]: Ah right
Kronoclast [?\]: f17 
Paddlefoot [1d\]: H16 seems bad direction to me
USGO1 [-\]: Kim almost played a stone, then pulled it back to rethink what he was doing.
liberaji [2k\]: B corner vulnerable
Paddlefoot [1d\]: I don't see it
fractic [2k\]: there is no way white could kill it
liberaji [2k\]: not yet...
flatchest [1k\]: wat coner?
proutoz0re: maybe by playing twice in a row
fractic [2k\]: top left
Trumelunki [4d\]: I don't see any problem in the corner
Paddlefoot [1d\]: top left presumably
flatchest [1k\]: i dont see it
Paddlefoot [1d\]: F17 F18
fractic [2k\]: cut at L14 looks troublesome for white
ADG [6k\]: no need to kill, just keep some pressure
Ophelia [-\]: there's big endgame there.
fractic [2k\]: yes A17 is big
Paddlefoot [1d\]: perhaps
Rocker [4d\]: l14
ADG [6k\]: white will settle his stones, and B will have to responde
kimball [4d\]: f 17 is a problem
flatchest [1k\]: :S
Kronoclast [?\]: f17 f18 e17 e19 l18 
USGO1 [-\]: White has just gone under one minute remaining.
Rocker [4d\]: good
Chievo [3k\]: did you see which area w was trying to play usgo?
zxcsdf: haow many spectators they have around board?
liberaji [2k\]: top duh
Rocker [4d\]: it had to be 1 hour ago at least its too tedious
]
;W[kg]C[Sincere [3k\]: o17
Sincere [3k\]: :(
kimball [4d\]: if b connect on the first line w can cut d 16 sente
Kronoclast [?\]: protect the cut
liberaji [2k\]: keep the attack going?
USGO1 [-\]: both players are now in byo-yomi, so I will not have much time to talk from now on.  Don't want to miss any moves...
sansanman: okay
DragonWolf [5k\]: L18?
]
;B[kb]C[kimball [4d\]: do your best
Kronoclast [?\]: hum
DragonWolf [5k\]: :)
strong10k [2k\]: strong 5k
fractic [2k\]: M10?
LEIBNIZ [4k\]: right
DragonWolf [5k\]: just lucky
Javaness [-\]: black left side looks deadish
]
;W[lc]C[Chievo [3k\]: USGO1 youre doing a great job, I'm glad you were picked as recorder
liberaji [2k\]: nah he wil run away
]
;B[lb]C[flatchest [1k\]: big dragon never die!!!!!!!!!!
jeffywhite [7k\]: hi strong10k
Rocker [4d\]: s11
liberaji [2k\]: but B will suffer Q11 or somehting
Zephon [2k\]: w+81.5
jeffywhite [7k\]: we had a teaching game
USGO1 [-\]: white now only has 4 periods left.
]
;W[cl]C[Paddlefoot [1d\]: byo-yomi move?
danteVAM [5k\]: w+85.5 xD
Zephon [2k\]: o4 is coming soon
Paddlefoot [1d\]: a forcing move for time?
Sincere [3k\]: its hugeee
]
;B[dk]C[Chievo [3k\]: I dont think so
Uberdude [2d\]: intesresting way w settled top uising attack
fractic [2k\]: it feels to soon for o4
Fatality [7k\]: w+85,5
Nyrckes [1k\]: p11
fractic [2k\]: white will probably force around N9 first
liberaji [2k\]: keep attacking
Chievo [3k\]: pros can blitz like the best
]
;W[hh]C[Uberdude [2d\]: m9 maybe?
Zephon [2k\]: ;o
Rocker [4d\]: HMMM
Uberdude [2d\]: but there is hole at k7 area#\]
liberaji [2k\]: W ready to make some pts thre?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: seems passive
fruitdrops [3k\]: was that imortant move?
fractic [2k\]: that hole is not that big
proutoz0re: w ready to hunt the big dragon
]
;B[lk]C[Chievo [3k\]: btw I hope they bring you some food, mr recorder
Uberdude [2d\]: reverse sente is upose
Kountch [2d?\]: yose has started
Fatality [7k\]: I still believe in r17 
fractic [2k\]: white needs to get something in the center
AurelienC [3d\]: no.. only a pro fun move...
fractic [2k\]: which will be very hard now :(
Sincere [3k\]: heh
Rocker [4d\]: NIce move
jeffywhite [7k\]: jump cut
appelsap [9k\]: W is 8P, b is 3P so no problem for white?
]
;W[jm]C[proutoz0re: :/
ajistorm [1k\]: w looks in bad situation
Zephon [2k\]: ;o
USGO1 [-\]: white is down to 3 periods now.
]
;B[mi]C[markboon [?\]: B looks a little better
danteVAM [5k\]: I think is finish for W
proutoz0re: o13
twintom [6k\]: but black has to make a lot dame moves now
misty1 [10k\]: b+time?
fractic [2k\]: white needs a good yose
ajistorm [1k\]: never finished with pros, but hard
ADG [6k\]: white has komi, how much is komi ?
DrZoom [8k\]: 7.5
proutoz0re: 7.5 
]
;W[nc]C[Paddlefoot [1d\]: w needs good yose, a rip-off and a miscount
Sincere [3k\]: monkey jump is huge
jeffywhite [7k\]: why it the komi more?
danteVAM [5k\]: I don't know if just a "good yose" will be enough
danteVAM [5k\]: :s
jeffywhite [7k\]: why not 6.5
fractic [2k\]: S11 is also big
lemmming [7k\]: because rules are rules...
USGO1 [-\]: white is at 2 periods
liberaji [2k\]: ING rules
ajistorm [1k\]: game is probably closer than it looks though
DrZoom [8k\]: aga rules
Sincere [3k\]: maybe just s10..
appelsap [9k\]: what about the time?
Rocker [4d\]: i blame G12!!!
Fatality [7k\]: white get's 7,5 points of komi
Sincere [3k\]: s2 in sente
markboon [?\]: N17
andrewgr [2k\]: this is US Open, not ING cup, not using ING rules
jeffywhite [7k\]: i think 6.5 is enough
Kountch [2d?\]: Should white play the last move in ing rules
SpiderGay: s10
]
;B[nb]C[Rocker [4d\]: H12*
liberaji [2k\]: si there big difference?
andrewgr [2k\]: no
DrStraw [-\]: you mean the two tournaments at the congres use different rules?
andrewgr [2k\]: yes
]
;W[mb]
;B[ma]C[DrStraw [-\]: how ridiculous
strong10k [2k\]: does us go congress ever break 500?
Ophelia [-\]: it's called sponsorship.
Almdudler [3d\]: ;<
]
;W[mc]C[liberaji [2k\]: W bying more time
andrewgr [2k\]: not ridiculous.  The ING foundation generously donates equipment and prize money to sponsor a tournament using thier rules, why would AGA not take that offer?
Almdudler [3d\]: 500 active go players for the usa
Almdudler [3d\]: thats ridiculous
]
;B[ob]C[DrZoom [8k\]: Are both in Byo Yomi now?
SpiderGay: its ridiculous to think that would be ridiculous DrStrawberry
Naso [12k\]: zoom: yes
appelsap [9k\]: no hope for W
Uberdude [2d\]: andrewgr, because they insist on using rude clocks
Naso [12k\]: think usgo mentioned that before
]
;W[ri]C[liberaji [2k\]: rude clocks?
Rocker [4d\]: THere u go
Bierce [1d\]: i count b 5 p ahead
Paddlefoot [1d\]: the ing kit is weird
]
;B[rj]C[Paddlefoot [1d\]: and the rules are crazy
kungfu [5k\]: end game moves
kungfu [5k\]: :D
]
;W[qj]C[Uberdude [2d\]: yes the clocks make horrible noises
fractic [2k\]: i don't understand the ing ko rule
andrewgr [2k\]: pros from japan, china, and korea have no objection t playing using ING system, so I'll defer to their judgment
Paddlefoot [1d\]: Mr. Ing was a very eccentric man
]
;B[rk]C[jeffywhite [7k\]: whats their ko rule
Paddlefoot [1d\]: money speaks in many languages
]
;W[pi]C[Paddlefoot [1d\]: the ko rule is insane
ADG [6k\]: pros are pros, they play for money, they won't mind rules :)
liberaji [2k\]: W still trying to kill?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: ing rules discriminate between a "fighting ko"
jeffywhite [7k\]: what does it say
strong10k [2k\]: seems like b gets point and whit doesnt with thissequence
Chievo [3k\]: elaborate
Paddlefoot [1d\]: and a "disturbing ko"
Uberdude [2d\]: i expect some pros find the clocks annoying too
]
;B[qh]
;W[rl]C[appelsap [9k\]: any internet site explaining the ING ko rules?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: a fighting ko is where life and death is involved
Paddlefoot [1d\]: I think
fractic [2k\]: senseis library explains the rule
SpiderGay: aga rules and ing rules are just like "look, we have made our own rules for this game, we rock"
Evaugh [4k\]: white gets influence for J10 group fight
fruitdrops [3k\]: dont understand white
fractic [2k\]: it doesn't really help much
Paddlefoot [1d\]: a disturbing ko is merely for points
]
;B[rh]C[twintom [6k\]: but w gets sente
jeffywhite [7k\]: show me the url please
Uberdude [2d\]: i tihnk s11 was too late
strong10k [2k\]: lose alot of points
Paddlefoot [1d\]: you are allowed to fight a fighting ko but not a disturbing one
fractic [2k\]: senseis.xmp.net
fractic [2k\]: search for ing ko rule
]
;W[sk]C[andrewgr [2k\]: no w tries to kill the dragon
jeffywhite [7k\]: okay
andrewgr [2k\]: *now
Trumelunki [4d\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?IngRules
lulubell [13k\]: that move looks desperate
Uberdude [2d\]: if w s11 earlier b would not have captured giving w the thickness but now middle grup is strong
]
;B[si]C[Paddlefoot [1d\]: this means that positions can be constructed where the best move is to fill in one of your own eyes to change a disturbing ko to a fighting one so you can fight it
Chievo [3k\]: what
chez [21k\]: hi gorobert
Rocker [4d\]: m10
Paddlefoot [1d\]: indeed
Chievo [3k\]: youre making no sense at all paddle
fractic [2k\]: that's insane paddlefoot
Rocker [4d\]: no
Paddlefoot [1d\]: the ing rules make no sense
PowRanger [9k?\]: That sounds so incredibly lame :x
]
;W[oj]C[fractic [2k\]: i don't know why the rules are so insane
SpiderGay: ing rules are ridiculous
Paddlefoot [1d\]: my ing was an eccentric man
jeffywhite [7k\]: that is gay
fractic [2k\]: superko has silly side effects but it makes sense at least
]
;B[nk]C[fractic [2k\]: ing ko rule just doesn't make any sense
zitoune [11k\]: is there a way to close the chat windows,?
fractic [2k\]: and there are like 3 ppl in the world who understand it
lulubell [13k\]: ING ko rule?
Woodstock [-\]: move the chat out of frame
]
;W[ok]C[zitoune [11k\]: s
Uberdude [2d\]: zitoune, yes
SpiderGay: people should stick to the japanese or chinese rules only
Uberdude [2d\]: click the little arros
Uberdude [2d\]: arrows
SpiderGay: aga, ing and new zealand rules are just fancy
]
;B[nl]C[Uberdude [2d\]: jsut below this chat box
zitoune [11k\]: exuse m what is arros?
Uberdude [2d\]: arrows
zitoune [11k\]: tjk
Ophelia [-\]: can we focus on the game please?
]
;W[lh]C[appelsap [9k\]: i read the ING ko rule on senseis library, it's horrible
ADG [6k\]: is W trying to kill black ?
fruitdrops [3k\]: b is alive
]
;B[li]C[ADG [6k\]: that's what i thought
Rocker [4d\]: m7
fractic [2k\]: A17?
]
;W[fc]C[ADG [6k\]: so w making territory...
fiftymm [11k\]: black will live, but black is not alive yet.
]
;B[fd]
;W[gc]C[Roblol [4k\]: = black alive
ADG [6k\]: w going to catch up on points in yose...
Chievo [3k\]: paddlefoot, could you explain to me in a demo one of these days?
SpiderGay: b15
Rocker [4d\]: b15
krakengo [1d\]: tell
fiftymm [11k\]: i think you misunderstand =
fractic [2k\]: black has eye around N10
krakengo [1d\]: how is H18 looking now ?
]
;B[be]C[Chievo [3k\]: oh
Chievo [3k\]: B is doing it again
Chievo [3k\]: instead of A15 he makes bad shape
krakengo [1d\]: he can't stop
fractic [2k\]: i think timing on D17 was wrong
krakengo [1d\]: became a style
Rocker [4d\]: a15
fractic [2k\]: bad shape doesn't matter in yose
]
;W[ae]C[jer5d [6d\]: ^^
krakengo [1d\]: hane too painful
]
;B[ec]C[markboon [?\]: oops
Hikaruwaya [3k?\]: yo
SpiderGay: exchange
ADG [6k\]: d16 ?
jer5d [6d\]: yeah one corner for w
Zephon [2k\]: whats bigger i wonder
Rocker [4d\]: a16
fruitdrops [3k\]: d16
krakengo [1d\]: B15 really is vulgar
]
;W[rr]C[fractic [2k\]: the corner is bigger
fruitdrops [3k\]: wow
appelsap [9k\]: ?
jer5d [6d\]: 2 corner
cliftut [14k?\]: The 14k is back.
Ophelia [-\]: wow
Laval [4d\]: B 15 is not vulgar because it worked
krakengo [1d\]: had to ignore a w hane
lulubell [13k\]: what do you mean that B15 is vulgar?
Bierce [1d\]: in yose its not about shape but what make most points
fractic [2k\]: bad style
]
;B[qr]C[SpiderGay: forget b15
USGO1 [-\]: B has 3 periods - W has 2 periods
]
;W[fb]C[appelsap [9k\]: how long's a period?
okiol [5k\]: has it happened in the cup that any of the players ran out of time?
krakengo [1d\]: doesn't mean shape loses all signification
Fatality [7k\]: 30s
Uberdude [2d\]: m3 group doesn't have 2 solid eyes?
]
;B[ad]C[Roblol [4k\]: 60s proboably
Roblol [4k\]: ?
SpiderGay: 30s
proutoz0re: d19
Ophelia [-\]: 30s
Fatality [7k\]: 30s
Roblol [4k\]: ok
Tsuijin [1d\]: m3 group can always get h7
ADG [6k\]: black's going to have 50 points, right ?
Uberdude [2d\]: true
Roblol [4k\]: pretty fast for a pro game imo
]
;W[af]
;B[bb]C[okiol [5k\]: can g1 too if needed
Hikaruwaya [3k?\]: the other one is already done
appelsap [9k\]: b18 painful
MXHero [-\]: j18 is nice
Ophelia [-\]: nice
krakengo [1d\]: B18 best
fruitdrops [3k\]: d4 coming anytime soon?
Rocker [4d\]: supa tetious moku counting yose game!
Rocker [4d\]: tediouus
Chievo [3k\]: b inviting w to D15?
appelsap [9k\]: best but painful, gote
jeffywhite [7k\]: the ko rule makes no sense at all
Sincere [3k\]: q15 :D
SpiderGay: o15
okiol [5k\]: what ko rule?
krakengo [1d\]: yes wake me up when it's over
twintom [6k\]: no rocker w leads by at least 10 points
]
;W[rq]C[Uberdude [2d\]: f15? 
SpiderGay: i said s3
SpiderGay: not o15
Uberdude [2d\]: o15 o13 kinda miai
Eoan [2k\]: D4!!
Uberdude [2d\]: f15 makes some cash
]
;B[lf]C[DrStraw [-\]: Looks like it will be a long drawn out yose - W appears to have enough points for the win
Rocker [4d\]: hmm
Sincere [3k\]: l16
WWSD [1k\]: i dont get b18 at all
]
;W[kf]C[Uberdude [2d\]: b18 makes shape and eyes
WWSD [1k\]: why not b17
Uberdude [2d\]: and makes d19 gote
jeffywhite [7k\]: ensures life
fractic [2k\]: b18 makes d19 gote for white
USGO1 [-\]: time: w 1 period, b 3 periods
Eoan [2k\]: D19
Sincere [3k\]: wait
Uberdude [2d\]: b17 means d19 is sente
Laval [4d\]: because then D19 would be sente
cliftut [14k?\]: According to the automaic score estimation white wins by 90.5
SpiderGay: w shoulda play fater
Sincere [3k\]: g18 stones are dead arent they?
SpiderGay: fater
SpiderGay: ffaster*
Rakeliem [1d\]: you mean fatter?
Uberdude [2d\]: no sincere
WWSD [1k\]: how would it be sente
Eoan [2k\]: Hard to read and type
Uberdude [2d\]: connected to p18
Chievo [3k\]: no
Chievo [3k\]: thicker, not fatter
appelsap [9k\]: flatter?
flatchest [1k\]: wat
SpiderGay: i mean faster
]
;B[sj]C[Uberdude [2d\]: d19 c19 e19 and b must defend cit
WWSD [1k\]: what can white play 
fractic [2k\]: g18 stones can be captured
Ophelia [-\]: SE thinks black is dead...
Chievo [3k\]: OUCH
MXHero [-\]: w can kill them, sincere, but only if n17 is safer than right now
Rakeliem [1d\]: what does that mean
Chievo [3k\]: w in trouble
WWSD [1k\]: oh
DragonWolf [5k\]: does O10 remove black's eyes?
WWSD [1k\]: i didnt even look over there
DragonWolf [5k\]: *eye
Ophelia [-\]: dont trust SE
WWSD [1k\]: nvm
Uberdude [2d\]: wwsd this is basic stuff
WWSD [1k\]: thanks
]
;W[rm]C[WWSD [1k\]: i actually
DragonWolf [5k\]: W O10?
appelsap [9k\]: SE is my friend in bad days
WWSD [1k\]: thought E18 was black stone
Articuno [-\]: wwsd: what would satan do?
WWSD [1k\]: no
t0Strong4u [-\]: f14 
]
;B[cq]C[acellist1 [5k\]: satan would take black
Brizou [2k\]: o10 is gote, not doing anything since black can connect anywhere
Articuno [-\]: no, satan would take white with ing komi =p
tromp [-\]: h1
]
;W[lp]C[Bierce [1d\]: i bet god is one stone stronger than satan
Fatality [7k\]: lol
fractic [2k\]: it's the hand of god afterall
]
;B[om]C[Chievo [3k\]: stop this discussion
Bierce [1d\]: ^^
indianayk [5d\]: very close game?
BadDuke [4k\]: Satan cheats during the counting
]
;W[pm]C[Bierce [1d\]: but  god will know
Sincere [3k\]: xD
cliftut [14k?\]: But gets caught.
Rocker [4d\]: f14
Fatality [7k\]: satan uses ing ko rule to win
appelsap [9k\]: :)
okiol [5k\]: ...and that's the story of how komi appeared
okiol [5k\]: bible version
Woodstock [-\]: what are you talking about?
]
;B[br]C[Chievo [3k\]: as an atheist Im offfended by you people talking about god and satan
Fokatukc [7k\]: y?
]
;W[cs]C[Roblol [4k\]: ?
appelsap [9k\]: ?
cliftut [14k?\]: ?
Eoan [2k\]: that's very strange....
Rakeliem [1d\]: ?
okiol [5k\]: !
archer [?\]: ????????
Rakeliem [1d\]: !!
Chievo [3k\]: I dont believe they exist
liberaji [2k\]: timesuji
Matrix000 [2k\]: im offended by you being an atheist
Bactria [17k?\]: ?
t0Strong4u [-\]: hahah
Kountch [2d?\]: time move i think
Eoan [2k\]: so then just ignore it....
jeffywhite [7k\]: well maybe WE are offended by u saying they dont exist
Roblol [4k\]: I'm an atheist aswell and I realize the religious people are the one who should be offended since theyre making fun of religion ;)
Highwayman [1k\]: taking time move
Articuno [-\]: as a deeply religious man, I'm offended that you're offended about the talks of satan and god
]
;B[ff]C[Sampi [3k\]: stop the theological discussion, lets focus on the game
Rakeliem [1d\]: I'm anti-religious
jshift [20k?\]: admins?
Sincere [3k\]: ouch
Rakeliem [1d\]: not anything
Sincere [3k\]: huge move
cod [10k\]: i agree god as anoying conceptnd the devil are
MXHero [-\]: so.. -awkward pause-... how about that b2 move?
tempGuest: take this elsewhere guys
appelsap [9k\]: ADMINS
]
;W[oe]C[Fokatukc [7k\]: \\b will win
Fokatukc [7k\]: the b2 is allpowerful
archer [?\]: this conversation needs to ead
Rakeliem [1d\]: b2 expected
Fatality [7k\]: w+93,5
archer [?\]: end
]
;B[od]C[Javaness [-\]: Hello
Fokatukc [7k\]: nice use of SE
fje204: B2 BOMBER YEA!
flatchest [1k\]: WHERE?????
Sincere [3k\]: q16
]
;W[ne]C[Fokatukc [7k\]: e9
liberaji [2k\]: b2 makes 1 pt for B?
Sincere [3k\]: oh wait
Chievo [3k\]: actually its a zed bomber
Rocker [4d\]: o13
flatchest [1k\]: p16 misclick
ADG [6k\]: b2 prevents w making points in g2 ...
fractic [2k\]: b2 was purely played for time
Chievo [3k\]: z-bomber
flatchest [1k\]: should be q17 
hade [16k\]: W resign, B2 bomber XD
]
;B[nd]C[MXHero [-\]: p16 is a good empty triangle
Fokatukc [7k\]: b d16
ADG [6k\]: why would a pro waste ko threats ?
flatchest [1k\]: b really like empty triangle
fractic [2k\]: to get an extra 30 second thinking time
]
;W[la]C[jer5d [6d\]: k16
fractic [2k\]: L13 sente
jer5d [6d\]: ew
appelsap [9k\]: time move
lulubell [13k\]: wasted move...
kimball [4d\]: p16 was 1 point doule sente
t0Strong4u [-\]: w take two stones
Sincere [3k\]: ....
fractic [2k\]: m19 is not time move
GoFan23: is that a time move?
jer5d [6d\]: no
]
;B[ka]C[GoFan23: y doesnt he just pass
appelsap [9k\]: no?
jer5d [6d\]: normal
fractic [2k\]: it opens up j18 later on
Chievo [3k\]: this is called reducing
GoFan23: that was pointless
Chievo [3k\]: get a grip
Sincere [3k\]: doesnt work now
t0Strong4u [-\]: ah
ADG [6k\]: m15 ?
Sincere [3k\]: l16
Rocker [4d\]: j18
Sampi [3k\]: j18 k18 j19 k19 k16 
DrZoom [8k\]: m16 
deft [4d\]: J18 works
Zephon [2k\]: its retribution for the b2 stone 
Tower [3d\]: who will it beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
]
;W[jd]C[Roblol [4k\]: k16 
fractic [2k\]: J18 doesn't work withouth L16
Tsuijin [1d\]: k15 stones gone
deft [4d\]: captures two stones
jer5d [6d\]: yeahy
fractic [2k\]: or there is ko for the N18 stones
jer5d [6d\]: loveme
WiseGuy [2d?\]: No..
Zephon [2k\]: wow
appelsap [9k\]: hehe
Brizou [2k\]: nasty 
Tower [3d\]: this can start a big ko ?
Eoan [2k\]: j16 
Sincere [3k\]: captures 2 stones at the cost of 5
appelsap [9k\]: m19 trick
Sampi [3k\]: k16 is gote now, seems a bit small
WiseGuy [2d?\]: This captures nothing...
Brizou [2k\]: that ko can be a killer
Ophelia [-\]: now the fun begins.
Tower [3d\]: starts a giant ko
krakengo [1d\]: strong
USGO1 [-\]: both players with one period now
Tsuijin [1d\]: a ko that white wins =)
krakengo [1d\]: look at b shapes
]
;B[md]C[Tower [3d\]: wow
krakengo [1d\]: w ko master
Chievo [3k\]: nice
fractic [2k\]: strange move
Chievo [3k\]: tenuki is best at this point
ADG [6k\]: pro move
Hikaruwaya [3k?\]: it's not
okiol [5k\]: b wasted a ko threat and will now lose!
fractic [2k\]: now the capture threathens J18 
Rakeliem [1d\]: take it take it
MXHero [-\]: j18
Tower [3d\]: J16 is semi sente, black can force but he'd have to fix later
]
;W[ng]C[t0Strong4u [-\]: lol why would you tenuki
Sampi [3k\]: ahh!
Toge [5k\]: m15 sente
chrono3450 [1d\]: i'm stunned at how many people critize a korean 8p's move... seriously...
Rakeliem [1d\]: gee
]
;B[id]C[fractic [2k\]: i don't critize
archer [?\]: looks lie black is trying to take those stones atm17
appelsap [9k\]: oooo
fractic [2k\]: just think it's strange
Tower [3d\]: m15 ?
vg674 [14k\]: to build a table of course
Ophelia [-\]: well said chrono.
Sampi [3k\]: b is smart
fractic [2k\]: i don't understand :(
Sincere [3k\]: yeah, m15
krakengo [1d\]: b did ok, induced defense
Rocker [4d\]: o13 weird
Chievo [3k\]: nice work kuo yin
]
;W[kd]C[Sampi [3k\]: m15 ?
jsc [14k\]: hi everyone what going on???
Sampi [3k\]: for w, i meant
Roblol [4k\]: j19 ?
Rakeliem [1d\]: j19
]
;B[ib]C[Uberdude [2d\]: p15 overplay should o15 ?
krakengo [1d\]: way to maintain pressure for w
Sampi [3k\]: j19 is a must
Chievo [3k\]: b performed well under pressure
Chievo [3k\]: I must applaud him
Sincere [3k\]: ...
fractic [2k\]: b got good result
appelsap [9k\]: n13
cliftut [14k?\]: Why didn't he kill with snapback at L16? I miss something?
t0Strong4u [-\]: yes
]
;W[pe]
;B[qe]C[Woodstock [-\]: black can be proud of himself getting applause from you
Rocker [4d\]: h2
racine [2d\]: cliftut : you missed M16 liberty
krakengo [1d\]: he was in atari 2 stones
fruitdrops [3k\]: n15 seems most normal now
WiseGuy [2d?\]: Why are you? Of course, people who aren't used to think for themselves and blindly believe in authority may think 8p couldn't be wrong. Well, that's the root of many 'evils' in this world... blind belief.
WiseGuy [2d?\]: I've seen 9p blunder...
]
;W[gr]C[appelsap [9k\]: n15 yes
WiseGuy [2d?\]: Nothing wrong with questioning their moves.
Tower [3d\]: i wonder if this works
Rocker [4d\]: uh
flatchest [1k\]: wow u are wise
Tower [3d\]: C5 makes this interesting
]
;B[hr]
;W[gp]C[krakengo [1d\]: this is like when k criticizes d
wellwell: i am confused, who is wining?
appelsap [9k\]: ooo
Fatality [7k\]: o.o
Sampi [3k\]: i think b really screwed up there
chrono3450 [1d\]: first off, you have to give them the benefit of the doubt. and it's not about questioning their moves,, it's about critizing them. how many people thought M19 was wrong? or N16 wrong? for crying out loud, just read and maybe think that YOU might be missing something
proutoz0re: black leads
MXHero [-\]: oh neat
Tower [3d\]: black is fine, white will just connect
]
;B[fp]C[Rocker [4d\]: w wanting ko?
cliftut [14k?\]: Always question, always learn. Never question, always lose.
]
;W[fq]C[Sampi [3k\]: w will connect in sente
Rocker [4d\]: oh
krakengo [1d\]: poor b
Psychopomp [5k?\]: how did game end?
Bierce [1d\]: wow super tesuji
Tower [3d\]: this seems weird
HowToLose [5k\]: g1?
BadDuke [4k\]: Seems like black is ahead by about 10
appelsap [9k\]: de-eyeification
]
;B[gf]C[ml3400 [1d\]: g7
krakengo [1d\]: really, resign now
Rakeliem [1d\]: ko
danteVAM [5k\]: beautiful
Toge [5k\]: !
]
;W[hf]C[Sampi [3k\]: g14 timesuji?
Tower [3d\]: black is connected or alive
flatchest [1k\]: w kill d3 
Bierce [1d\]: think so
Tower [3d\]: lets be serious
fractic [2k\]: F3 was gote
krakengo [1d\]: he wanted to waste a ko threat
Rocker [4d\]: nice read by w
Fokatukc [7k\]: w dont want b to play g4
]
;B[gm]C[Toge [5k\]: No it wasn't.
andrewgr [2k\]: f3 not gote
MXHero [-\]: f3 is not gote
]
;W[hs]C[fractic [2k\]: he will defend eventually
fractic [2k\]: there he just did
Brizou [2k\]: Not gote, just smaller than killing H17
krakengo [1d\]: do it, b, do it
Sampi [3k\]: he will defend; in sente
]
;B[gp]C[krakengo [1d\]: there, fine shape
t0Strong4u [-\]: too good....
]
;W[ls]C[flatchest [1k\]: dont doubt w strongness!!!!!!!!
krakengo [1d\]: poom poom
okiol [5k\]: strongness...
fruitdrops [3k\]: w is just waking up
Sampi [3k\]: w must defend at a2 eventually, right?
]
;B[kl]C[krakengo [1d\]: did you have your opponent !
appelsap [9k\]: i doubt w's strongness
cliftut [14k?\]: Yeah, I was just starting to see the potential for mass death when black defended.
]
;W[mo]C[tromp [-\]: why cldnt b g1?
racine [2d\]: Sampi : no
krakengo [1d\]: atari
Tower [3d\]: n1
Fatality [7k\]: o.o
]
;B[ms]C[HowToLose [5k\]: sampi: not anymore
]
;W[jl]C[Tower [3d\]: k8
Tower [3d\]: haha
Fatality [7k\]: game just began? ^^
Tower [3d\]: pros are funny
andrewgr [2k\]: if black g1, white d4 and kills
Sampi [3k\]: but what about after b fills d4 ?
racine [2d\]: sampi : yes :p
]
;B[ln]C[Sampi [3k\]: then b1 and f1 ? :P
andrewgr [2k\]: then atari at g7
Rocker [4d\]: w supa stinge with moku
t0Strong4u [-\]: sampi....he would not miss that
]
;W[bl]C[Sampi [3k\]: no, of course he wouldnt
appelsap [9k\]: 398 observers. almost more than the number of active US go players....
Tower [3d\]: lol
Tower [3d\]: far from true
Sampi [3k\]: im saying he has to defend after dame
DrStraw [-\]: mor ethan the USGO attendees
flatchest [1k\]: XD
Cimmerian [3d\]: maybe if they stopped go from sucking so much
BadDuke [4k\]: And tem time the number of good ones.
maxp73 [2d\]: lol app
Cimmerian [3d\]: there would be more players
]
;B[ol]
;W[pl]C[flatchest [1k\]: in euro congress there are 1000 players lol
Cimmerian [3d\]: personally i cant wait for the next patch
okiol [5k\]: or more observers
andrewgr [2k\]: in europe they get more than 2 weeks of vacation
archer [?\]: almost all the number of us go players appelsap
Tower [3d\]: go has a much larger following in europe
t0Strong4u [-\]: US go is weak
liberaji [2k\]: euro has very short distances
]
;B[me]C[krakengo [1d\]: w ending up with 1 group
]
;W[mn]C[krakengo [1d\]: to b 4
Meepy [-\]: looks like white wins by a couple points
liberaji [2k\]: ING rule rewards more groups?
ADG [6k\]: haha true!
krakengo [1d\]: shows his enormous efficiency
]
;B[mm]C[Rocker [4d\]: so now what se estimaate?
]
;W[kn]C[keepgoing [-\]: US go is weak now, but it has been on the rise for a little while, not much, but atleast it's a positive trend.
HowToLose [5k\]: W+88.5
HowToLose [5k\]: *SE
Tower [3d\]: se is off in AGA rules
Meepy [-\]: that's just my count
appelsap [9k\]: does SE account for ING rules?
]
;B[lm]C[Meepy [-\]: w+2.5 :)
]
;W[nj]
;B[mj]C[Vash3G [-\]: This is AGA rules, not ING
andrewgr [2k\]: this is not ING, so it doesn't matter
Kozak03 [15k\]: aye wish I had more RL peeps to play in US
]
;W[eg]C[liberaji [2k\]: fine, "Area scoring"
Sincere [3k\]: well
Fatality [7k\]: yes appelsap :)
cliftut [14k?\]: The US is okay. They've got me, after all.
Sincere [3k\]: b has at most 50
]
;B[np]C[okiol [5k\]: tbh, for se it doesn't matter because it kills b's group so it's w+ 50
]
;W[lo]C[jsc [14k\]: hahahahahhahahahha look at SE its hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Articuno [-\]: SE is 9p, didn't you get the memo?
Tower [3d\]: you're hilarious
Sincere [3k\]: w is ahead
krakengo [1d\]: SE has a sense of justice
liberaji [2k\]: young ppl still find SE hilarious....
Fatality [7k\]: se is correct according to ing rules
]
;B[ph]
;W[oh]C[archer [?\]: not by much
appelsap [9k\]: aricuno LOL
jsc [14k\]: well im not going by SE you know
krakengo [1d\]: the b group really should die for it's sheer ugliness
Rocker [4d\]: its clear w wins 
fje204: who is SE?
Sincere [3k\]: w is ahead by a good chunk
appelsap [9k\]: I am SE
jsc [14k\]: score estimate 
keepgoing [-\]: actually. white can k11. and seperate. Black will of course, tenuki. xD
]
;B[ni]
;W[oi]C[krakengo [1d\]: "how can w win this ? where are w points ?" and so on
Articuno [-\]: bleh, the b group should get a break since its ugly
GaretJax [6k\]: No, I am SE
]
;B[pf]C[Rocker [4d\]: w wins by 3.5OK?
]
;W[og]C[HowToLose [5k\]: I am SEtacus
Sincere [3k\]: no
Tower [3d\]: more like 4.6
Sincere [3k\]: w wins by 5.5
Ectoplasme [4d\]: s1
archer [?\]: w+1.5
Fatality [7k\]: w wins by 2,7
]
;B[dp]C[Aimless [1k\]: w+e.5
Roblol [4k\]: g12 ?
arapbaci [3k\]: w+3cos(x)
appelsap [9k\]: ugly groups should get less points, like A and B scores like in Ice Dancing
]
;W[es]C[carpenter [6k\]: no. my aunt mary is SE
keepgoing [-\]: 3 the cosine of x... wow.
archer [?\]: whats SE
Rocker [4d\]: FINALLY this moku hugry game is nearing the end 
archer [?\]: ?
antipanda [9k\]: g13?
]
;B[rs]
;W[gg]C[jsc [14k\]: its score estimate
jeffywhite [7k\]: score estimeat\\
archer [?\]: thx
keepgoing [-\]: se is score exaggerator
GaretJax [6k\]: So white wins by a function?
Chievo [3k\]: woah
Chievo [3k\]: w is good
Tower [3d\]: a function of x it be
Aimless [1k\]: w+e^i*B
Sincere [3k\]: chievo - you are wierd
]
;B[sl]C[Chievo [3k\]: hes taking a claim for the iwn
appelsap [9k\]: SE is the Score Estater that you can find under Options, using the CGoban client
Sincere [3k\]: of course they are good -_-
Malone [9k\]: rocker just likes to say "moku" time and time again....
Sampi [3k\]: w+7 is my count
Chievo [3k\]: WIN
Chievo [3k\]: WIN I SAID
jsc [14k\]: w+§
archer [?\]: they are both good
Javaness [-\]: I don't think people are concentrating on the game enough
Chievo [3k\]: raed me
Malone [9k\]: =P
Rocker [4d\]: with g13 , w wins by 5.5 now ,OK??
HowToLose [5k\]: w+(17x+3.5), assuming f(x) = f(0)
]
;W[ih]C[Sincere [3k\]: see, i was right
Sincere [3k\]: :D
keepgoing [-\]: white's endgame is nice.
Meepy [-\]: didn't expect him to get g13
Evaugh [4k\]: f(0) being?
flatchest [1k\]: 3,5
flatchest [1k\]: duhhh
]
;B[im]C[keepgoing [-\]: f(0) = x
appelsap [9k\]: any mathematicians over here?
]
;W[jh]C[jsc [14k\]: fx= a really lame motivator so SE means ◘┴☺☻
Sampi [3k\]: is a go server? its crawling with math geeks :P
flatchest [1k\]: w+3,5
keepgoing [-\]: ¿
okiol [5k\]: howtolose seems good, rest i don't know what they're doing 
Sincere [3k\]: l10
appelsap [9k\]: ☺
]
;B[jq]C[keepgoing [-\]: lol
fje204: it isn't?
]
;W[jr]C[Fatality [7k\]: flatchest do you count komi?
Javaness [-\]: no
chrono3450 [1d\]: we're decifering the cont javaness
robertm [2d\]: no fighting in the war room
liberaji [2k\]: what?
jsc [14k\]: i had math at school today just got home
BadDuke [4k\]: Why J7?
chrono3450 [1d\]: we need math
archer [?\]: that hurt SAMPI!!!!!
Lacrimosa [1k\]: kgs should be family-friendly
flatchest [1k\]: fatality,i just checked SE XD
fje204: i thought Go was a game that needs math
Fatality [7k\]: ok
tiantian [11k\]: i am a mathematician! 
arapbaci [3k\]: sorry, ive started that stupid argument...
fje204: lol
Tower [3d\]: B-42+5 = 47? w - 43+1+7 or something?
keepgoing [-\]: and i though counting was math xD
keepgoing [-\]: jk
]
;B[kk]C[fje204: coulda fooled me :p
]
;W[jj]
;B[ji]C[appelsap [9k\]: hey sente move
]
;W[dd]C[okiol [5k\]: that doesn't make sense, tower :(
hikaru360 [20k?\]: hello everyone
keepgoing [-\]: this convo should go in kgs chat's greatest moments
keepgoing [-\]: in senseis
]
;B[bc]C[appelsap [9k\]: hello hikaru360
okiol [5k\]: two unknown variables :(
]
;W[oo]C[topfar [1d\]: Who wins?
Sakae [-\]: what was the result?
jsc [14k\]: hey and i read that AND IT DOESNT HAVE MY NAME
skeptical [2d\]: w wins for such
Sampi [3k\]: even after b18, b had to defend :)
skeptical [2d\]: sure
misty1 [10k\]: black b1thenf1
hikaru360 [20k?\]: who do you think is going to win?
Ophelia [-\]: white keeps on getting all the good endgame?
misty1 [10k\]: ouch for white
fractic [2k\]: we all win it was a good game
]
;B[fg]C[hikaru360 [20k?\]: ok
]
;W[fh]C[hezf: black will win
keepgoing [-\]: w pwns at endgame
hikaru360 [20k?\]: lol
jsc [14k\]: hahahaha
Sakae [-\]: hmm
archer [?\]: true fractic
Fatality [7k\]: I win
flatchest [1k\]: i got 1 stone stronger watching this game
Brizou [2k\]: misty1: black can't play twice
Ectoplasme [4d\]: w wins by komi
Brizou [2k\]: in a row
Sakae [-\]: kinda looks even
]
;B[al]C[hikaru360 [20k?\]: yeah
Knotwilg [2d\]: W took many points for B's play at the right
appelsap [9k\]: I got 16 stones stronger by watching this game
jsc [14k\]: w+2.5
]
;W[da]
;B[ca]
;W[ga]C[appelsap [9k\]: So I'm 5D
]
;B[ha]C[Hyoga [6k\]: ok
robertm [2d\]: I got 16 stones heavier by watching this game
Rocker [4d\]: VERy
Evaugh [4k\]: lol
keepgoing [-\]: b o6
]
;W[am]C[flatchest [1k\]: XD
arapbaci [3k\]: ive become 3 stones stronger in maths watching this game
]
;B[ai]
;W[ah]C[Fatality [7k\]: I got two stones worse
Sakae [-\]: robertm
Zephon [2k\]: i got 16 times more experienced at kibitzing while watching this game o.O
arapbaci [3k\]: argh i did it again
jsc [14k\]: i got -4 stones weaker watching this game
Sakae [-\]: meaning you need 16 more stones?
hikaru360 [20k?\]: do any of you watch hikaru no go?
Evaugh [4k\]: this game has made people silly
cliftut [14k?\]: I leveled up six times.
archer [?\]: i started to type faster
liberaji [2k\]: i lost 2 stones reading kibitz
keepgoing [-\]: lol
]
;B[of]C[jsc [14k\]: hikaru i watch it its cool
]
;W[nf]C[okiol [5k\]: i tihnk someone created a trend
hikaru360 [20k?\]: yeah it is
cliftut [14k?\]: me too.
fruitdrops [3k\]: i became fatter watching this
appelsap [9k\]: me too
proutoz0re: t2
jsc [14k\]: hahaha
DrZoom [8k\]: f9 or t7 
hikaru360 [20k?\]: i started reading the books too
Sincere [3k\]: e19
Brizou [2k\]: l10 ?
]
;B[sm]
;W[sn]C[jeffywhite [7k\]: i read 2 books
Rocker [4d\]: thouh this game is at bery high level i doubt seeing this game would help improving!!??
twintom [6k\]: w 5,5 points ahead
cliftut [14k?\]: It's kiddy sort of, but in a good way.
archer [?\]: i read 3
Sampi [3k\]: I think w wins by 4.5
archer [?\]: books
Rocker [4d\]: very*
jsc [14k\]: im going to red a tesuji book
hikaru360 [20k?\]: ive read 1 so far
]
;B[sk]C[keepgoing [-\]: i'm going to green a tesuji book. 
hikaru360 [20k?\]: vol. 4
]
;W[on]C[Principe [2d\]: crazy close
fractic [2k\]: tesuji by James Davies is good
Zephon [2k\]: Try James Davies Elementary go series Tesujis
Brizou [2k\]: I read 0.5
Rocker [4d\]: no
jsc [14k\]: k frantis does it have pictures???
appelsap [9k\]: I should re-read the Tesuji book 
Sampi [3k\]: Brizou: with komi?
Rocker [4d\]: its 5.5
cliftut [14k?\]: I'm going to play a tesuji book.
flatchest [1k\]: i have never read a go book :(
]
;B[in]C[Principe [2d\]: 0.5 soounds good
]
;W[jn]C[kumydan: reading a book is so hard...
jsc [14k\]: flatchest me niether
DrZoom [8k\]: n12 ?
Blockdude [3k\]: t2
flatchest [1k\]: go books too expensive
kumydan: maybe i go and write one..
flatchest [1k\]: ;(((((((
hikaru360 [20k?\]: the manga in hikaru no go is realy good
]
;B[ea]C[Fatality [7k\]: I read tesuji from james davies fith time now
]
;W[fa]C[Ophelia [-\]: not the place for this coversation.
Sincere [3k\]: its pretty obvious  that white has a decent lead
keepgoing [-\]: the best thing to do is recreate professional games to try to take a grasp of good shape and flow
Rocker [4d\]: my level too high reading books doesnt help any mre
jsc [14k\]: does it have pictures????????
liberaji [2k\]: so it's W+R like I predicted?
hikaru360 [20k?\]: yeah
fje204: tsubasaki no gete ha bake mai o ne
fractic [2k\]: i think the best way to improve is to play and review your games
topfar [1d\]: L10?
hikaru360 [20k?\]: it has pictures
]
;B[sr]C[Sincere [3k\]: what did you read before you got to that level rocker?
cliftut [14k?\]: Me neither. I keep wondering if some ancient tomes of go knowledge might be hidden somewhere in the far back at our library, but we don't go there, 'cause we owe them money.
Sincere [3k\]: :P
]
;W[kj]C[fiftymm [11k\]: is obvious troll obvious, or 12?
Extend [5k\]: f9 
Knotwilg [2d\]: W +3,5
Sampi [3k\]: im gonna count again! :D
topfar [1d\]: B wins?
DrZoom [8k\]: f9 ?
Principe [2d\]: i tihnk b wins by 1.5
archer [?\]: white should win but it is really close
Brizou [2k\]: b+0.5
jsc [14k\]: whats with these , why not a .?
Sakae [-\]: ing rules
Evaugh [4k\]: f9 makes A9/A10 quite good
Sakae [-\]: or isn't it?
GaretJax [6k\]: isnt' it a bit sad that we can't even agree on the score?
hikaru360 [20k?\]: do any of you own a go board?
Pinchilei [2d\]: f9 not a point
topfar [1d\]: looks b wins!
GaretJax [6k\]: yes
wellwell: b can resign
jeffywhite [7k\]: i do
Rocker [4d\]: but i swear i ve never studied any tsumego book it just bores me too much
WWSD [1k\]: Im gonna count this too! (options->Score est)
hikaru360 [20k?\]: i want to get one
USGO1 [-\]: Black has resigned the game.
flatchest [1k\]: i dont know how to count!!!!!!!!
okiol [5k\]: direction of play or something is often mentioned
wellwell: b lost
jsc [14k\]: i got one
Paddlefoot [1d\]: does SE include komi?
DrZoom [8k\]: Evaugh: ah ic...
flatchest [1k\]: aga rules
jsc [14k\]: i made it from plywood
liberaji [2k\]: ok thanks USGO
Sakae [-\]: reading books is for weaklings
Tsuijin [1d\]: tell them to eat
Ophelia [-\]: wow.  awesome game
Fatality [7k\]: o.O
hikaru360 [20k?\]: nice, jsc
Hancock [4d\]: thx gg both 
USGO1 [-\]: Thank you everyone for watching.
okiol [5k\]: how long was this game?
flatchest [1k\]: whp wom??
flatchest [1k\]: who win??????
Paddlefoot [1d\]: white
okiol [5k\]: like... 4 hours?
wellwell: w
Fatality [7k\]: thx USGO1
carpenter [6k\]: thx usgo!
xedover [7k?\]: W+r
jeffywhite [7k\]: nah
DrStraw [-\]: how many samateurs would resign whne 4 points down?
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